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My favourite tactic is the one where Roos, stearman and Davies stand on the 6 yard line with Davies taking the goal kick to Roos who panics and clips it into the channels.
It was very reminiscent of how my 6 year olds team plays!

This was my thought after each goal. I don’t want to offend schoolboys too much but that old phrase came to mind. 
 
Byrne/Foz take a bow. 

This is all true, up to a point. 
Why do the same people make more mistakes in one environment and less mistakes in another environment? Management!
People are more likely to make mistakes: in unfamiliar roles; or where they are uncertain what their role is; or where they lack confidence in what they are doing. All these are issues to be addressed by proper management.
If our players often look clueless, perhaps it's because nobody's given them a clue.

My favourite tactic is the one where Roos, stearman and Davies stand on the 6 yard line with Davies taking the goal kick to Roos who panics and clips it into the channels.
It was very reminiscent of how my 6 year olds team plays!

Yeah, it's not only Rooney's fault, or only he and Rosenior's
They're just the one's who's come up with a tactic where our full backs are playing wing back, our wingers playing full back, our central midfielders playing LCB & RCB, our AM (who should actually be the LW) is playing DM and our DMs are playing... well who knows what they're playing because they neither defend or attack, meaning our our CF is completely isolated and our wing backs (a role not traditionally part of a back 4)  have no support in the middle and have little option but to run down dead ends or cross it early to nobody.
It just about worked against a League Two team and a pre-season friendly against a Spanish team playing at half-speed when we could get our best passers in the team, but in a league match it just means that everyone on the pitch aside from GK, CBs & CF isn't playing their natural game, and the added 'steel' detracts further from our passing ability and creativity.
They're just the ones who use these stifling tactics to help control games in the first half, often only making changes that see us attacking with any real intent in the second half thus ensuring we'll almost never score 2 or more goals and will end most games needing to hang on to a slender lead, or even just a point, which we never do because they've left themselves with no controlling players to bring off the bench and subbed the ones who started the match off!
Their game management is in serious need of work.

Oh come on, do you really think we are all so shallow and fickle?  I've consistently wanted him out, well before the end of last season.  He's not "suddenly" to blame at all.  Conversely, 1 deflected shot from a corner and Rooney is the Messiah??
As an aside, I've never understood this "logic" - it is perfectly possible for there to be 2 co-existing cohorts, one of whom holds an opinion, and the other holding a diametrically opposed view.  Just because one cohort is temporarily more vocal, does not mean that the other has changed their mind.

We need to have some perspective. In our current state, we have absolutely no other option than getting behind Rooney and co. Mel Morris isn't about to add another £4-6m to pay Rooney off. I think it's pretty clear to me that both Rooney and Mel probably can't stand the sight of each other, at least that's what it looks like from the outside looking in.
Mel, I'd imagine, would like nothing more than Rooney to walk away for nothing. Rooney, I'd imagine would like nothing more than a takeover to come through so he can have a proper crack at building his own team. Although, all that being said, depending on who comes in could potentially just make a quick change. 
I said before the season that Rooney, in the current situation, has the safest job in football. We could lose the next 10 games all 4-0 and he would still have his job. We could get relegated with a record low points - he would still have this job. I have absolutely no doubt about that. I do think it's highly likely that he will surpass Paul Jewell's points-per-game record and perhaps go down in the history books as the worst manager the club's ever had.

Yea, think you have had enough of the amber nectar....

Each game we keep hoping for an improvement but it never seems to come. Just disappointment. Agreed, it's not only Rooney's fault but there must be a point in time when the line in the sand is crossed?
Ten games has to be the very maximum but by then it might be too late. It could be beyond repair. 
Personally, I was disappointed when the club dispensed with Nigel Clough. The progress was steady but it seemed to be small, certain steps in the right direction. 
I haven't studied the statistics but it may well have been the wrong decision to bring Wayne Rooney to the club in the first place. It seems to have been a downward spiral since he arrived. 

Chris Martin wasn't here last season. He started the 2020-21 season with exactly the same players Rooney had minus the FIVE loan signings. Take one of those loan signings out (Lee Gregory) and Rooney's record now stands at Played 12 Won 0 Draw 2 Lose 10. Two points from a possible 36.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Phillip Cocu record more points at the beginning of last season compared to Wayne Rooney's end-of-season record? Rooney had exactly the same players + Mengi, Edmundson, Roberts and Baningime.

Cocu got a pretty average Derby team to tenth during his first season in charge despite everything that went against him. Sibley, Bird and Knight all performed far better under him.
His transfer targets such as Dursun, Panzo and Moore had brilliant seasons last year.
Cocu was a slow burner. But he improved players and could spot potential transfer targets to move us forward. His time at PSV proved with the right pieces in place, he could succeed.
But he was undermined by Wayne Rooney's arrival while restricted from making any signings due to the circumstances caused by Mel Morris. Bizarre you would give up on him after the Charlton away game, which was about 10 game into his first season, working with an average squad. What were you expecting? Bielsa-ball?
There were signs after that we were on the right track. Like the back-to-back wins over Sheffield Wednesday and Blackburn, the latter a crushing 3-0 win where Wayne Rooney didn't even play.
Post lockdown, we still had momentum and Louie Sibley was being talked about as a potential superstar. But by that point, Rooney's fitness was so dire we were starting games with ten players.
Cocu's job come the second season was impossible. We were obliged to play Rooney who was awful, while we started the season without a recognised striker due to an embargo and the Martin fiasco.
The subsequent improvement in form after Cocu's exit was down to Rooney retiring and Krystian Bielik coming back. Not only were we playing with 11 men again, but we had arguably the best midfielder in the league absolutely running it for us. 

Not sure that Wassall is the answer, but he probably couldn't do any worse. It's patently obvious that the manager and coaching staff are not up to it, but as mentioned in other posts, the club can't afford to sack Rooney, and he seems intent on staying at the club to the bitter end. What a miserable situation the club has been dragged into. 

Problem is, almost nobody comes out of this situation with any credit. 
The players are underperforming. 
Good players aren't showing their quality. 
The manager isn't motivating the players. 
The tactics appear confused. 
The squad is threadbare. 
The owner wants out and has steered the ship firmly towards the rocks. 
Absolutely everyone (almost) can have legitimate criticism aimed at them. 
The problem with the criticisms is what's plan B?
Mel needs to go, but if he walks who takes over? 
Rooney isn't experienced enough to take the team anywhere, but who would take the reins here? 
The players aren't good enough but there's no way to replace them. 
There's quality in areas in the team but we can't make it show on the pitch. We can't replace them and we have no money to change the coaching staff. 
This is going to be a long slog of a season. 
All we can do is support the team, stop getting on their backs and be the best support we can be. 

It’s grim reading on here tonight… we are all just miserable and bloody fed up with it all aren’t we? 
 
still… always Wednesdays loss to look forward to! 

Oh.. You got me. 
No, they were in the third tier. But you comparing them to Norwich playing Liverpool works well. 
 
 

My favourite part of the tactics is getting  the players to completely switch positions during the game to confuse the opposition!
I mean who’d expect us play Lawrence as a part time CDM?

Doesn’t matter. We had players like Baird, Bennett, Marriott, Ince, even Duane bloody Holmes playing well under previous managers! We kid ourselves that these players are now rubbish but our old gaffers got players playing 7/10+, when was the last time half the team played better than even 5/10??
you’ve triggered me now! ? I’m not even one of those calling for him to be sacked! But I’m not having all the excuses. He’s performed very very very poorly, the only thing I’m giving him a pass on is he’s definitely been unable to build his own team. I doubt he’d have signed any of the freebies if given like-for-like resources of last few managers. 

Don’t worry, he’s already been sold on the wheeler dealer thread!

Not sure why anyone would claim that all supporters “hate” Mel.
I think he’s made some huge mistakes and has left the club in a huge hole….but I don’t hate him. 
 

Live footage of Rick Parry and Steve Gibson listening in on Rooney’s call to an uninterested Solskjær

Not sure why anyone would claim that all supporters “hate” Mel.
I think he’s made some huge mistakes and has left the club in a huge hole….but I don’t hate him. 
 

Not sure why anyone would claim that all supporters “hate” Mel.
I think he’s made some huge mistakes and has left the club in a huge hole….but I don’t hate him. 
 

Not sure why anyone would claim that all supporters “hate” Mel.
I think he’s made some huge mistakes and has left the club in a huge hole….but I don’t hate him.