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There is unlikely to be a true vendetta. But there has been a complete mismanagement of the process from start to finish. It isn’t helped that there have been a number of fingers in the pie that shouldn’t have been (Gibson and others who aren’t even connected to a football club, but just seem like professional ? stirrers). These people have been like dogs with bones and the upshot is that the EFL have been suckered into prolonging the agony far more than was either necessary  or - given they had agreed our approach for years - fair. 
Frankly I’m surprised that the club didn’t decide to challenge the legality of the whole process in the courts and step outside the clearly not-fit-for-purpose rules or processes, the actions of the EFL and the dubious influence of people outside the process. Somebody will at some point (and perhaps even the whole concept of FFP which seems - to a layman like me - as unfair restraint of trade). 

We had Stephen Pearce on the board not long ago, so talking of hypocrisy I couldn't sit here and complain about how independent the EFL is now.
Saying that, how Ridsdale, fresh out a 7 and a half year ban from company directorship is now on the board, I just can't, I can't get my head around that one.
He would have been voted through though, which just seems bizarre to me.

Let's say that happened. How many clubs do you think would say hold up, let's take that one out so Derby County can apply for this loan to help them out?
Not likely is it, if any it wouldn't be enough to push it through.
It's a competition, we're all rivals.
Look at the Premier League vote the other day, did Brighton vote in favour or against the sponsorship ruling which is there to basically prevent money being pumped into Newcastle.

It's rules such as above that builds this "vendetta" that some believe the EFL have towards us.
Let's not forget here, the EFL signed off on our accounts, they only became an issue when they looked into the stadium valuation despite Kieran Maguire alerting the EFL to take a look at our accounts a long long time before the stadium sale was made public.
Meanwhile clubs such as QPR smashed the FFP rules the season we played them at Wembley, were Derby crying and threatening to sue the EFL and QPR, no.
Gibson however, well he's been a dog with a bone on this. I suspect the EFL would not have appealed and pushed as hard if they didn't have this threat hanging over them, and this all may look like paranoia, but honestly tell me I'm wrong.
The EFL will not want this in court, front and back pages of the paper for the country to see their handling of all this.
I find it hard to take that we're being punished for something historically which was approved by the EFL, the punishment doesn't feel like it fits the crime either.
We've been under embargo for the best part of a year, unable to strengthen the team, can't submit accounts as there is an argument over accountancy methods which are not in the EFL rules.
We're then being denied an opportunity of an interest free loan that could have helped prevent us going into admin because of the above investigation, so we're hit with -12.
Yet that doesn't appear to be enough as they want a further 9 point deduction.
At what point are we allowed to feel a little annoyed by what the EFL have done here, I'm amazed other club fans are actually enjoying this when it could be their club next.
We have a club down the A52 with an owner sending players between his 2 clubs in plain sight, how is this not been flagged up as a potential FFP issue, can you imagine transfer negotiations? It's a table with 2 chairs and just himself. 
It just stinks, it really does. Maybe I'm biased as this is my club, but it does absolutely feel like a vendetta that won't end until they have us in League 1.
When you look at what Rooney and this team are up against, it's incredible the fight they continue to show on the pitch. They don't deserve to have a relegation on their CV's, not one of them.
If we somehow stay up against the EFL's best efforts to send us down, without a doubt Rooney should be manager of the season, not that the EFL would be brave enough to award it him.

Would be the best thing that ever happened if they sold It for housing. 

Exactly this. They could have simply accepted the findings, which would have appeased the other clubs as they’d done what they asked and took action against us. I continue to fail to understand the logic of the EFL trying as hard as they can to see one of its Members (and one of the bigger clubs) struggle - including the potential for going out of business. 
I understand trying to ensure the rules are adhered to, but they did that by going to the panel in the first pace.  I’m not sure it’s a vendetta, but it’s certainly a stupid way to run an organisation.

Exactly this. They could have simply accepted the findings, which would have appeased the other clubs as they’d done what they asked and took action against us. I continue to fail to understand the logic of the EFL trying as hard as they can to see one of its Members (and one of the bigger clubs) struggle - including the potential for going out of business. 
I understand trying to ensure the rules are adhered to, but they did that by going to the panel in the first pace.  I’m not sure it’s a vendetta, but it’s certainly a stupid way to run an organisation.

No, the point is that if a once-in-a-hundred-years pandemic hadn't been allowed to take hold of the country by (arguably) government complacency and negligence, would DCFC have been in the position whereby it was no longer able to meet its obligations to creditors?
What you appear to be arguing is that the club should have been in a position to ride out any comparable storm, but since EFL rules don't require clubs to prove they can do that regardless of the force majeur event, I don't believe the appeal can simply be struck out on the basis that its finances should have been more robust, provided the club can demonstrate that its income was materially reduced as a result. 

There has already been a face to face meeting between EFL and Rams Trust, where other questions were fielded and answered (not necessarily in a good way!) The report of that is on the Rams Trust website and links were posted on this thread if you want to read it. The EFL insisted on approving and editing the report of that meeting. 
They then gave Rams Trust an opportunity to ask follow up questions and these are those. 
I don't think we necessarily think we will get straight answers to these questions either, but it is important to continue the dialogue and probe for chinks in their armour.
The questions are varied because they reflect the range of views of Rams Trust members, who were asked to contribute. I wouldn't have asked some of them myself, but the ones I wanted to ask were included so I am happy with the process. 
I am finding it better to do something than to sit by moaning about it all. Not a criticism of anyone who doesn't believe in that route, but we need a really active - and wide reaching - Supporters Trust in future. 
The EFL need to know fans' views, aside from the singing their praise at matches, this is one way of doing it! 

I'm not disagreeing with you, it was another roll of the dice. Lampard's permanent signings were poo. Maybe Morris should have told Lampard to stick with the loan signings and get someone else to do recruitment. Easy to say now.  
But it really is no good blaming Morris for everything. We have been incredibly unlucky year after year. Losing four play off ties by a single goal each time. What if QPR hadn't cheated in 2014, injuries wrecked our run in 2015, Thorne breaking his leg just before play offs in 2016, Vydra not fit for the play offs in 2018 , no fully fit strikers for the 2019 play off final except for Mason Bennett.    
If the dice had rolled fairly for us then nobody would have been blaming Morris for anything.
 
 
 

As it’s all speculation anyway, then why assume the worst? What does it achieve apart from an ulcer and dozens of pages of diatribe on a forum?

As it’s all speculation anyway, then why assume the worst? What does it achieve apart from an ulcer and dozens of pages of diatribe on a forum?

Is it because there's just not enough threads already talking about the same subject?

Imagine scoring a goal without even touching the ball. 

Looking at the foul and yellow count, Derby are the stand out team in the stats. We're towards the bottom of the foul count and 3rd in the yellow card count. Most of the league commit 6-8 fouls per yellow, Derby are way out on their own at only 4.3 fouls per yellow card. 
Last night, there was a typical incident, Lawrence had beaten his man and was charging into space about 30 yards from goal, he was blatantly pulled back by the defender who then after the free kick was given, kicked the ball away, both nailed on yellow card offences. The ref didn't even have a word with him.
In the matches that I've seen this season, I believe that the cards given to Derby players have been warranted, the problem is that the opposition players seem to get away with murder. This then restricts the Derby players' actions for the rest of the game whereas the opposition just carry on fouling at will.

He was absolutely dire last night but less frustrating in the sense that I feel we got quite a few decisions that would've rattled me if they were given to the opposition. 

He was quite poor last night, but probably didn’t look that bad in comparison to some of the absolute dross we have had recently.  
I guess we can no longer expect refs to see obvious two handed shoves in the back which send players flying or free kicks and throw ins being taken remotely where they should have been, or foul throws (us and them), or booking people for cynically grabbing someone’s shirt when they’re about to break, or being remotely consistent about what constitutes a foul in the first place. To be fair, all fairly minor things but they add up.
I agree the ref had no bearing on the result, but he only might’ve looked OK because the overall standard is so poor.

I’m not into all the EFL conspiracy rubbish about referees but what was blatantly obvious last night was the inconsistency of what constitutes a foul. 
luton would what looks like to most commit a foul yet play would go on, seconds later Derby would do something pretty much identical and the referee would stop the play. 
I think the strangest bit of play was second half where a luton player committed a foul and was allowed to go on for a good 3 or 4 seconds with the ball and pass it on , and suddenly something seem to click in the referees mind that it was a foul, fair play for bringing it back but why let Play carry on , Derby didn’t even have the ball so we can’t even use the advantage was given as an excuse . 
like I said certainly not the poorest refereee this season I’ve seen seen but still shockingly poor. 

He was quite poor last night, but probably didn’t look that bad in comparison to some of the absolute dross we have had recently.  
I guess we can no longer expect refs to see obvious two handed shoves in the back which send players flying or free kicks and throw ins being taken remotely where they should have been, or foul throws (us and them), or booking people for cynically grabbing someone’s shirt when they’re about to break, or being remotely consistent about what constitutes a foul in the first place. To be fair, all fairly minor things but they add up.
I agree the ref had no bearing on the result, but he only might’ve looked OK because the overall standard is so poor.

He was quite poor last night, but probably didn’t look that bad in comparison to some of the absolute dross we have had recently.  
I guess we can no longer expect refs to see obvious two handed shoves in the back which send players flying or free kicks and throw ins being taken remotely where they should have been, or foul throws (us and them), or booking people for cynically grabbing someone’s shirt when they’re about to break, or being remotely consistent about what constitutes a foul in the first place. To be fair, all fairly minor things but they add up.
I agree the ref had no bearing on the result, but he only might’ve looked OK because the overall standard is so poor.

I'm not really sure what you'd expect any manager to do about this though. Surely the only answer is better players? 
You can't blame Rooney for Morrison hanging onto the ball where there's a break on, for Shinnie backheading a ball into the path of onrushing Luton players, of Allsopp dropping a clanger. They are individual errors at moments in games. Nothing any coach can do about it. How can a coach legislate for some poor refereeing decisions?  
What Rooney can do is motivate, organise, set them up tactically. The rest, once the game starts, is on the players. We're so much better than last year with a team that is punching hard and perhaps above its weight. I don't think any manager could get more out of them at the moment than Rooney is doing. 
Genuine question, looking at last night's game, what bit of ingenuity are you referring to would have won us the game?  

Walking football is going down well in America isn’t it?

Tonight the Referee (whoever he is) stretched the acceptable boundaries of fair, consistent and balanced.
The decision that was changed because the Luton player had a hissy fit in the second half was absolutely disgraceful. 
 
We have to accept that we are playing against a team of 14 in opposition to DCFC.

Yes Lawrence was good I’m not disputing that but with Tom if he just lifted his head up sometimes and played an easier ball or doesn’t shoot from miles out when they’re better options he’d be fantastic