Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?

[Ram-Alf]

27 minutes ago, davenportram said:

And they’ll be sharpening pitch forks and lighting torches soon

That's football supporters for you davenport, We all want success...but time waits for no man/woman, There's a theme where even the most ardent supporters are posting...I'll give it until Xmas, If we are then where we are now...what situation will they be in...Warne out or I'll give him until easter?.

 

[Archied]

54 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

 

Not seeing any hatricks there🤷‍♂️

[RoyMac5]

1 minute ago, Archied said:

Not seeing any hatricks there🤷‍♂️

Nope just a lot of goals.

[DCFC Kicks]

Warne has made a mess of the transfer window. Despite almost all our existing players not being suited to it, he committed to changing the formation of the team to a 3-5-2, and signed players for this. Now he's gone back to a back-four and we're playing relatively better. 

Two of his signings were RWBs who are now going to have to play out of position at either RB or RM if they get into the team. He's now signed Nyambe because we didn't have an orthodox RB. What a waste of resources that could have been used elsewhere.

He seemed to put most of his efforts during the transfer window into signing strikers because he needed two for his 3-5-2 formation. Despite acknowledging there was a lack of strikers on the market at the time. He ended up signing three strikers and it looks like we're only playing with one at the moment, as Waghorn looks like he's playing at CAM. 

Imagine if he'd just built on last seasons 4-2-3-1 and signed some decent wingers, a CAM, and a striker.

[McMuffin]

14 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said:

Warne has made a mess of the transfer window. Despite almost all our existing players not being suited to it, he committed to changing the formation of the team to a 3-5-2, and signed players for this. Now he's gone back to a back-four and we're playing relatively better. 

Two of his signings were RWBs who are now going to have to play out of position at either RB or RM if they get into the team. He's now signed Nyambe because we didn't have an orthodox RB. What a waste of resources that could have been used elsewhere.

He seemed to put most of his efforts during the transfer window into signing strikers because he needed two for his 3-5-2 formation. Despite acknowledging there was a lack of strikers on the market at the time. He ended up signing three strikers and it looks like we're only playing with one at the moment, as Waghorn looks like he's playing at CAM. 

Imagine if he'd just built on last seasons 4-2-3-1 and signed some decent wingers, a CAM, and a striker.

Good points. Recruitment the down fall once again. Can’t wait for January, leave it till the last day and mess it up again. Repeat 

Edited October 2, 2023 by McMuffin

[Jourdan]

29 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said:

Warne has made a mess of the transfer window. Despite almost all our existing players not being suited to it, he committed to changing the formation of the team to a 3-5-2, and signed players for this. Now he's gone back to a back-four and we're playing relatively better. 

Two of his signings were RWBs who are now going to have to play out of position at either RB or RM if they get into the team. He's now signed Nyambe because we didn't have an orthodox RB. What a waste of resources that could have been used elsewhere.

He seemed to put most of his efforts during the transfer window into signing strikers because he needed two for his 3-5-2 formation. Despite acknowledging there was a lack of strikers on the market at the time. He ended up signing three strikers and it looks like we're only playing with one at the moment, as Waghorn looks like he's playing at CAM. 

Imagine if he'd just built on last seasons 4-2-3-1 and signed some decent wingers, a CAM, and a striker.

It’s only October, yet you have written off eleven signings?

Can players only play in one system? Why does 4 at the back necessarily affect how successful the signings can be?

Nelson, Nyambe and Fornah are playing well and look like our standout players at the moment. Waghorn and Washington have chipped in with some goals here and there and contributed to some wins.

Wilson was brought in to add depth and competition for places and he has looked lively in his cameos. Vickers as we know is only likely to deputise for Wildsmith. What more could he have done so far?

That’s at least five or six who have made a reasonable start to life in a Derby shirt.

Ward is a natural winger who can play RB or RWB if needed. When fit, there will be a place for him unless NML or Barkhuizen really motor but as we know they are both inconsistent. Elder will return from injury too and push Forsyth for his place. Hopefully John Jules will do the same and push Waghorn and Collins, but if not he’ll be gone in January.

The only signing who really looks to have missed the mark so far is Bradley. I think he could be waiting a good while to get back in the side and he looks a long way from living up to his billing.

[RoyMac5]

4 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

It’s only October, yet you have written off eleven signings?

Can players only play in one system? Why does 4 at the back necessarily affect how successful the signings can be?

Nelson, Nyambe and Fornah are playing well and look like our standout players at the moment. Waghorn and Washington have chipped in with some goals here and there and contributed to some wins.

Wilson was brought in to add depth and competition for places and he has looked lively in his cameos. Vickers as we know is only likely to deputise for Wildsmith. What more could he have done so far?

That’s at least five or six who have made a reasonable start to life in a Derby shirt.

Ward is a natural winger who can play RB or RWB if needed. When fit, there will be a place for him unless NML or Barkhuizen really motor but as we know they are both inconsistent. Elder will return from injury too and push Forsyth for his place. Hopefully John Jules will do the same and push Waghorn and Collins, but if not he’ll be gone in January.

The only signing who really looks to have missed the mark so far is Bradley. I think he could be waiting a good while to get back in the side and he looks a long way from living up to his billing.

How have we been doing so far then? Why do you think it'll get better rather than worse with these players - how do you think they feel?

[Jourdan]

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

How have we been doing so far then? Why do you think it'll get better rather than worse with these players - how do you think they feel?

We definitely need to improve, but is it usual for us to be playing our best football in October? In my lifetime I don’t ever recall us being strong starters.

Last season, we didn’t really click until November, for instance. Perhaps we don’t want to peak too soon? Ipswich were really solid then caught fire in February/March and there was no looking back.

We are missing the options of Thompson, Hourihane, Rooney, Elder, Ward and John Jules. Bird, Sibley, Wilson and Barkhuizen are all working their way back to full fitness. That is bound to have an impact, isn’t it? Having question marks over ten players in what is a small squad can’t be easy, can it?

I think we will be better when more of the squad are fit and the team begins to gel and settle. For one, having the ability to change things up and not play players until they have nothing left to give will be a great boost.

[RoyMac5]

16 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

We are missing the options of Thompson, Hourihane, Rooney, Elder, Ward and John Jules. Bird, Sibley, Wilson and Barkhuizen are all working their way back to full fitness. That is bound to have an impact, isn’t it? Having question marks over ten players in what is a small squad can’t be easy, can it?

Warne wants a small squad. You can't say we're missing them all except as options because most of them aren't likely to play a majority of games are they? How could they? More telling that from amongst that lot you don't really know how might be most valuable and missed the most?

[Blondest Goat]

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

Warne wants a small squad. You can't say we're missing them all except as options because most of them aren't likely to play a majority of games are they? How could they? More telling that from amongst that lot you don't really know how might be most valuable and missed the most?

We're supposed to give Warne a pass until everyone is back fit don't you know?  Bit part players that Warne only plays when he has to need to be available for us to be able to judge him properly.

[MackworthRamIsGod]

48 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

It’s only October, yet you have written off eleven signings?

Can players only play in one system? Why does 4 at the back necessarily affect how successful the signings can be?

Nelson, Nyambe and Fornah are playing well and look like our standout players at the moment. Waghorn and Washington have chipped in with some goals here and there and contributed to some wins.

Wilson was brought in to add depth and competition for places and he has looked lively in his cameos. Vickers as we know is only likely to deputise for Wildsmith. What more could he have done so far?

That’s at least five or six who have made a reasonable start to life in a Derby shirt.

Ward is a natural winger who can play RB or RWB if needed. When fit, there will be a place for him unless NML or Barkhuizen really motor but as we know they are both inconsistent. Elder will return from injury too and push Forsyth for his place. Hopefully John Jules will do the same and push Waghorn and Collins, but if not he’ll be gone in January.

The only signing who really looks to have missed the mark so far is Bradley. I think he could be waiting a good while to get back in the side and he looks a long way from living up to his billing.

It isn't the players that are being written off, it's the manager, it's Paul Warne. Tactically rubbish, woefully inadequate in the transfer market. 

The only way we will know if the players he signed are any good would be to bring someone in who can select a system and a team good enough to beat the likes of Oxford and Cambridge.

 

[Archied]

1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said:

Nope just a lot of goals.

But you highlighted the hatricks then put up figures to prove what I said🤷‍♂️

[RoyMac5]

4 minutes ago, Archied said:

But you highlighted the hatricks then put up figures to prove what I said🤷‍♂️

I meant to say why is a hat-trick so important amongst so many goals.

[Archied]

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

I meant to say why is a hat-trick so important amongst so many goals.

Fact ,, David Mc g had his best ever scoring season under Paul warne including 3 hatricks when he had never scored a hatrick before in his career , so your posting stats to confirm this🤷‍♂️

[May Contain Nuts]

Depends what you classify as getting the most out of him.

Most goals in a single season, certainly, but the level does matter.

15 goals in the Championship in 2018/19. 10 Premier League goals between 2019 & 2021.

No hattricks but both bigger achievements than taking the piss out of League One defenders for one season, and we undoubtedly benefitted from him bringing the experience he gained in those seasons to the fore when facing such inferior opposition not even two seasons later.

The last time he played as low as League One he got 16 goals in 22 appearances, so more goals per game.

How much of his performance last season was down to Warne is can be argued for, well, not eternity but maybe a couple of pages. Was there anything Warne did specifically, or differently to his managers in the past which increased his potency in front of goal?

Edited October 2, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[Archied]

41 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

Depends what you classify as getting the most out of him.

Most goals in a single season, certainly, but the level does matter.

15 goals in the Championship in 2018/19. 10 Premier League goals between 2019 & 2021.

No hattricks but both bigger achievements than taking the piss out of League One defenders for one season, and we undoubtedly benefitted from him bringing the experience he gained in those seasons to the fore when facing such inferior opposition not even two seasons later.

The last time he played as low as League One he got 16 goals in 22 appearances, so more goals per game.

How much of his performance last season was down to Warne is can be argued for, well, not eternity but maybe a couple of pages. Was there anything Warne did specifically, or differently to his managers in the past which increased his potency in front of goal?

Ahh level matters but so does age,,, I’m actually just proving the point that some are just so anti warne that they shift goal posts and use double standards in they’re criteria for judging that it’s laughable, as I said earlier, if warne is not anyone’s choice of manager then fair play 🤷‍♂️ no need for all the just plain daft stuff 

 

[Chris_Martin]

2 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said:

Warne has made a mess of the transfer window. Despite almost all our existing players not being suited to it, he committed to changing the formation of the team to a 3-5-2, and signed players for this. Now he's gone back to a back-four and we're playing relatively better. 

Two of his signings were RWBs who are now going to have to play out of position at either RB or RM if they get into the team. He's now signed Nyambe because we didn't have an orthodox RB. What a waste of resources that could have been used elsewhere.

He seemed to put most of his efforts during the transfer window into signing strikers because he needed two for his 3-5-2 formation. Despite acknowledging there was a lack of strikers on the market at the time. He ended up signing three strikers and it looks like we're only playing with one at the moment, as Waghorn looks like he's playing at CAM. 

Imagine if he'd just built on last seasons 4-2-3-1 and signed some decent wingers, a CAM, and a striker.

We'd be in 9th rather than 12th?😂

With all those players in the squad I guess it won't be the last we see of the 3-5-2 either. 

For me the formation is not really the main problem. Yes we have improved slightly going to 4 at the back, but tactically we're just not set up good enough. If we don't have control in games and don't create enough chances its always going to be a struggle.

[Chris_Martin]

4 hours ago, Archied said:

Fact remains warne got more out of didzy than any other manager in his career, jeez he had never scored a hatrick , warne got 3 out of him in one repeat one season , if the above is what you come up with it says it all about you , in your book any players doing badly it’s down to warne any doing well it’s nothing to do with him 🤷🏻‍♂️, I get he’s not the manager for you but come on 😂
ps the thread asked for a SINGLE improvement 😂

You don't think the fact we were now playing in league one and were probably the biggest club in the division had anything to do with didzy doing so well?  He had been playing premier league or championship football for almost all his career. Playing in a much easier division, he was of course going to do well. 

Outside of didzy which players actually did well? There were much more that were poor than were good which points towards management/coaching. 

[Chris_Martin]

18 minutes ago, Archied said:

Ahh level matters but so does age,,, I’m actually just proving the point that some are just so anti warne that they shift goal posts and use double standards in they’re criteria for judging that it’s laughable, as I said earlier, if warne is not anyone’s choice of manager then fair play 🤷‍♂️ no need for all the just plain daft stuff 

 

Are you though ?

Your saying the difference between premier league and league one standards is countered by didzy being 2 years older 😂

[Ghost of Clough]

2 hours ago, Jourdan said:

It’s only October, yet you have written off eleven signings?

Can players only play in one system? Why does 4 at the back necessarily affect how successful the signings can be?

Nelson, Nyambe and Fornah are playing well and look like our standout players at the moment. Waghorn and Washington have chipped in with some goals here and there and contributed to some wins.

Wilson was brought in to add depth and competition for places and he has looked lively in his cameos. Vickers as we know is only likely to deputise for Wildsmith. What more could he have done so far?

That’s at least five or six who have made a reasonable start to life in a Derby shirt.

Ward is a natural winger who can play RB or RWB if needed. When fit, there will be a place for him unless NML or Barkhuizen really motor but as we know they are both inconsistent. Elder will return from injury too and push Forsyth for his place. Hopefully John Jules will do the same and push Waghorn and Collins, but if not he’ll be gone in January.

The only signing who really looks to have missed the mark so far is Bradley. I think he could be waiting a good while to get back in the side and he looks a long way from living up to his billing.

Whislt some players are more versatile and adaptable and can play in different positions in different formations, some can't. Whilst a player can play well in one system, they may be awful playing in a different system but in the same formation.

Where do Mendez-Laing and Barkhuizen fit in a 352? In the same formation, in the system demanded by Warne, who fits the LWB role requirements? In any formation which uses wingers, where is the depth beyond Mendez-Laing and Barkhuizen?

It was a poor summer in terms of recruitment. Not because of individual ability, because I think they're all good signings for this league, but because they weren't for any particular system in mind. We spent most of the summer flipping between 352 and 3421. Only for us to switch to 4 at the back after the window closed.

Warne's recruitment strategy seems to be a case of signing whichever palyers he can to reach his desired squad size, and put them into any formation which seems to make sense to him. It's probably why he used every formation imaginable during his time at Rotherham, typically changing his 'preferred' formation every season.

Try choosing an 11 man side where all 11 players are effective in that position. How many from the rest of our squad fit in that system?