Foreveram Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Red Ram said: Big assertions. Is there even the slightest shred of evidence for any of it? If so please post it, if not let's move on please. As it happens, I attended meetings with the EFL during administration. Their main concerns were the preserving the integrity of the competition and ensuring Derby County found a financially sustainable path out of adminstration. So not only is there no evidence that the EFL "tried to destroy us" there's actually direct evidence to the contrary. Sad to say but it was Mel Morris that started the "blame the EFL for everything" narrative as a way of distracting us from his own financial mismanagement. You're undoubtedly Derby through and through B4 and I generally enjoy your positive rallying posts but unfortunately you've fallen for Mel's smoke and mirrors trick... Please enlighten us with this direct evidence that the EFL have been on our side all along. YorkshireRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Well that how feels mate So sorry for that If david want delect the topic he can. So you can start this all over again in another thread? 🤦♂️ David Graham Brown and Rambervalley 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Boycie said: So you can start this all over again in another thread? 🤦♂️ Nope It still feels raw to me you know how much I love this club But it is painful to saw youth system yawn apart. But many must feel the same as chant get sung every single game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Nope It still feels raw to me you know how much I love this club But it is painful to saw youth system yawn apart. But many must feel the same as chant get sung every single game. It's painful to lots of us. But try a bit of balance, there are times when it seemed we were unfairly treated by the EFL and then there were times when we were treated as could be expected for our transgressions. David Graham Brown, RIMBAUD and Premier ram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, Red Ram said: Big assertions. Is there even the slightest shred of evidence for any of it? If so please post it, if not let's move on please. As it happens, I attended meetings with the EFL during administration. Their main concerns were the preserving the integrity of the competition and ensuring Derby County found a financially sustainable path out of adminstration. So not only is there no evidence that the EFL "tried to destroy us" there's actually direct evidence to the contrary. Sad to say but it was Mel Morris that started the "blame the EFL for everything" narrative as a way of distracting us from his own financial mismanagement. You're undoubtedly Derby through and through B4 and I generally enjoy your positive rallying posts but unfortunately you've fallen for Mel's smoke and mirrors trick... This is interesting, did they ever provide a rationale as to why they punished us for accounts that were both signed off by the EFL Executive, and weren't explicitly against the rules? It's lovely that they wanted us to get out of admin, but that might never have happened had they actually followed their own rules... By that point, they NEEDED us to get out of admin otherwise they'd be facing a PR nightmare- I believe the ''helpfulness'' towards the end of the process was very much a self-serving attempt to regain face. If they really wanted to help, they'd have shut down/postponed Middlesbrough and Wycombe's claims which were hindering potential sales... which they didn't. Ironically, their obstinate stance on ended up being helpful as it stopped Kirchner acquiring the club, so the only real help they provided was entirely accidental 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 I have seen this season as an opportunity to concentrate on matters on the pitch (good or bad). To be honest all this anti EFL stuff is embarrassing. Rambervalley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: It's painful to lots of us. But try a bit of balance, there are times when it seemed we were unfairly treated by the EFL and then there were times when we were treated as could be expected for our transgressions. We use to have so many good young prink of first team now they few again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: We use to have so many good young prink of first team now they few again. I meant players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: I meant players. 'We go again', is the phrase that's used. Nothing stays the same, we might have sold them and still gone into administration with Mel. Look forward, you can't change the past, but learn from it. Premier ram and David Graham Brown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 Annoying thing is none of them wanted to leave apart odd one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Annoying thing is none of them wanted to leave apart odd one. They really couldn't wait to go mate. One even lied about going on holiday with his girlfriend to Amsterdam while he was meeting Udinese officials . There was a reason he didn't play for a month. Premier ram, jimtastic56 and David Graham Brown 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: They really couldn't wait to go mate. One even lied about going on holiday with his girlfriend to Amsterdam while he was meeting Udinese officials . There was a reason he didn't play for a month. Well that's why I said odd one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Foreveram said: Please enlighten us with this direct evidence that the EFL have been on our side all along. He didn’t say ‘all along’. But as things got really serious for us the EFL was crapping itself we’d go under and it was clear to anyone not biased who was paying attention that they were trying to help us. Jesus, Rick Parry was personally responding to fans’ emails ! Still can’t believe that one ... edit: I’m not suggesting Rick is Jesus Edited April 13, 2023 by kevinhectoring David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 15 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: It's painful to lots of us. But try a bit of balance, there are times when it seemed we were unfairly treated by the EFL and then there were times when we were treated as could be expected for our transgressions. spot on mate , B4 please read Roymacs reply above, i know it hurts but now is the time to look forward and help the club get back to where it belongs , put all your hurt and passion for DCFC into supporting the club as it is now in the safe pair of hands of David Clowes David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 15 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: It's painful to lots of us. But try a bit of balance, there are times when it seemed we were unfairly treated by the EFL and then there were times when we were treated as could be expected for our transgressions. We were given a £100,000 fine by an INDEPENDENT panel, why did theEFL feel the need to appeal this, this was the start of our troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 11/04/2023 at 19:42, B4ev6is said: Come on lads you come to far to give up now go and show efl that we going into the play offs and we shall go and win them we fans shall back you and togather we shall go back to the champership togather as one. Now go and get into the play off use this injustice snubbing cashin and macgoldic for efl player year award they cant stand us doing so well. Now to the fans is another auntie efl chant. We are derby We hate efl We hate efl we do David Clowes has made it clear he’s pleased that relations with EFl are now on a good footing. I think we should all follow his wise lead. angieram, Boycie and David Graham Brown 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, Foreveram said: We were given a £100,000 fine by an INDEPENDENT panel, why did theEFL feel the need to appeal this, this was the start of our troubles. Well done for pointing out the panel was independent. In theory at least ... The 2 EFL decisions that damaged us were - to challenge our accounting methods in the first place (thanks Kieron) - to appeal the decision from the first hearing, which was that our accounting was compliant. There are some good reasons and some bad ones why the EFl did these 2 things. But once the EFL proceedings were commenced, our troubles were well and truly out of Mel’s old kit bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, Foreveram said: We were given a £100,000 fine by an INDEPENDENT panel, why did the EFL feel the need to appeal this, this was the start of our troubles. No. The start of our troubles was Mel Morris overspending wildly, gambling the Clubs future on his ego-trip. Administration was the end product of the crazy spending. Henrycav81, David Graham Brown and CROSSWORD 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondest Goat Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Can someone just go over this whole EFL / punishment / administration thing again for me? I don't think it's been covered on the forum. Day, Montezuma, David Graham Brown and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 56 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: No. The start of our troubles was Mel Morris overspending wildly, gambling the Clubs future on his ego-trip. Administration was the end product of the crazy spending. It’s not trouble if you gain promotion though as countless others have proven. Rammy03 and kevinhectoring 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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