Shipley Ram Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 13 hours ago, Red_Dawn said: Your former owner paid his taxes yet? Thought not. If you or I did what your owner got upto we'd end up in prison. What nonsnense. Mel, the p****, put one of his limited companies into administration. The outstanding debts were all dealt with by by the administrators under business law. Any of us could put our limited companies into administration for any outstanding debts to be resolved in this way. I don't aprove of how Mel conducted himself, but to suggest there is anything imprisonable about it is quite wrong. If you have a problem with this perhaps you should approach your MP about changing the insolvency laws? What do you think of Ken Bates who managed to put Leeds into admin, pay the creditors, including HMRC, 8%, and bought back Leeds from the admin debt free? I almost wish Mel had pulled the same trick to see the resulting treetard hysteria, apart from the EFL wouldn't have taked their foot off our neck whist Mel was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Brolly Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Red yawn/yawnie spends his spare time of which I'm sure he has a lot of on here or trawling the Internet for information about us very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarsdenRam Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 https://wetalkpremierleague.com/2023/07/premier-league-fair-play-index/ "Nottingham Forest’s wages to revenue score was 197. This means for every pound the club earned, nearly two pounds was being spent on players’ wages. This points to a situation where Forest appears to be technically insolvent" Reggie Greenwood and Mucker1884 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Dawn Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 12 hours ago, REDCAR said: Amusing…. 😂….. 😐 Dawny, I “love” you bro, but come on… you can’t really say much considering your accountant wrote a cheque to spunk £20m on Dennis. Fair play.. Although he wasn't the worst signing. He'll do well at Leeds! REDCAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawley_ram Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) On 19/07/2023 at 10:17, Bob The Badger said: Two quotes for you Red_Yawn The biggest mistake I ever made was leaving Derby County. Derby is a real football town. Can you guess who said them? I'll give you a clue; he continued to live in Derby even when he worked in Nottingham. Add "happiest time of my managerial career was here" -- said while still Forest manager, watching Derby play Spurs at the Baseball Ground! Oh, and "I'm a Derby man!" said during a 1991 interview. Edited July 20, 2023 by sawley_ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alram Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Shipley Ram said: What nonsnense. Mel, the p****, put one of his limited companies into administration. The outstanding debts were all dealt with by by the administrators under business law. Any of us could put our limited companies into administration for any outstanding debts to be resolved in this way. I don't aprove of how Mel conducted himself, but to suggest there is anything imprisonable about it is quite wrong. If you have a problem with this perhaps you should approach your MP about changing the insolvency laws? What do you think of Ken Bates who managed to put Leeds into admin, pay the creditors, including HMRC, 8%, and bought back Leeds from the admin debt free? I almost wish Mel had pulled the same trick to see the resulting treetard hysteria, apart from the EFL wouldn't have taked their foot off our neck whist Mel was in charge. didnt mel spend the tax from the employees PAYE to buy players? you are right he didnt break any laws but there should be laws preventing it in the first place, he misallocated money that the employees paid in tax and made the club unable to pay the tax bill how anyone can defend that man is beyond me Edited July 20, 2023 by alram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 6 hours ago, MarsdenRam said: https://wetalkpremierleague.com/2023/07/premier-league-fair-play-index/ "Nottingham Forest’s wages to revenue score was 197. This means for every pound the club earned, nearly two pounds was being spent on players’ wages. This points to a situation where Forest appears to be technically insolvent" It will be interesting to see what their wage bill was for this past season when the accounts are out - £58.5m for their 21/22 season. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see it within the £130-150m region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 6 hours ago, alram said: you are right he didnt break any laws but there should be laws preventing it in the first place, Don’t hate the player, hate the game. It’s not Mel’s job to rewrite the law. Morally wrong but not legally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alram Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, TigerTedd said: Don’t hate the player, hate the game. It’s not Mel’s job to rewrite the law. Morally wrong but not legally wrong. its only not legally wrong because the people that write the laws are often the ones with interests that protect them in businesses its completely wrong on every level, to put the club he "loves" at risk like he did was unforgivable Edited July 20, 2023 by alram GboroRam and Ilkestonian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, alram said: its only not legally wrong because the people that write the laws are often the ones with interests that protect them in businesses its completely wrong on every level, to put the club he "loves" at risk like he did was unforgivable I agree completely. If I was to get all philosophical about it, we should be able to exist without any laws, and our own sense of morality should stop us from killing each other and stealing from each other. But unfortunately society doesn’t work like that, and as long as their are loopholes in the law, people will exploit them. And if we know nothing else about Mel, we know he was always one to try to exploit a loophole. To this day, he didn’t technically do anything against the rules, he just made the EFL look silly so the retrospectively changed the rules. He pushed them too far, and they decided to make an example of him. absolutely he shouldn’t have pushed it that far, shouldn’t have taken that risk, and shouldn’t have tried to be a clever bugger. And then he shouldn’t have pushed the admin button and left us in the s*** without an escape plan. That was the really unforgivable act. but those that make the rules, either the EFL through stupidity, or the government through greed and self interest, need to take the bulk of the blame for allowing it in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 21 minutes ago, alram said: its only not legally wrong because the people that write the laws are often the ones with interests that protect them in businesses its completely wrong on every level, to put the club he "loves" at risk like he did was unforgivable Better than being an alleged drug smuggler , match fixer and bakery burner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDCAR Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Red_Dawn said: Fair play.. Although he wasn't the worst signing. He'll do well at Leeds! Is that where he’s gone!? We are only jealous that we’ve never come close to spending £20m on a player… well I am anyway! Red_Dawn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 On 20/07/2023 at 11:13, alram said: didnt mel spend the tax from the employees PAYE to buy players? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Valencia 1 - Forest 0, on Tuesday. According to reports, after Valencia's goal in the 47th minute Forest created absolutely zero opportunities to equalise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 54 minutes ago, richinspain said: Valencia 1 - Forest 0, on Tuesday. According to reports, after Valencia's goal in the 47th minute Forest created absolutely zero opportunities to equalise. Hasn't it been that hot in Spain owd marinakis must have thought he'd set foot in his rivals bakery? richinspain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Preseason games mean nothing. We want to hear about fallings out, bitchy spats between players, coaches moaning about how fat they all got in the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alram Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 22 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: No what did he spend then? our tax bill remained unpaid and we racked up a tax bill about 3x higher than everyone else. the only explanation was he used that money to run the club when it should have been put aside for the tax man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 minute ago, alram said: what did he spend then? our tax bill remained unpaid and we racked up a tax bill about 3x higher than everyone else. the only explanation was he used that money to run the club when it should have been put aside for the tax man Well based on the fact that our players were being paid for instalments, and they were also outstanding when we went into administration, he wasnt spending it on players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alram Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Well based on the fact that our players were being paid for instalments, and they were also outstanding when we went into administration, he wasnt spending it on players. spending it on players, spending it to run the club, spending it on breakfast - bottom line is it wasnt set aside to pay the tax bill it was used so HE didnt have to put his hand in his pocket and spend HIS money. once you start spending money that isnt yours you know exactly what you are doing as an owner of a club, the only long term saviour from what he was doing would have been promotion, he would have known this and it was a borderline criminal what he did. how stubborn do you have to be to defend the man even after everything that panned out Edited July 22, 2023 by alram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, alram said: borderline Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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