BriggRam Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Gritstone Tup said: Rules will be far stricter and presumably endless appeals won’t be available I don't think it's down to stricter rules......the EFL will just bend the rules again, Boro, Forest, Stoke, Bristol City........none of them will be scrutinized and dealt with the way we have........our plight has awoken the masses to the EFL failings, all will change, and we are the founding member of that change Edited February 2, 2022 by BriggRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, SamUltraRam said: A whole hour has past since the last post in this thread - what's happening, complacency, confusion or nausea ?? Is this the first daylight hour without a post since it began at Christmas ? ? The silent majority are distressed by the pro-marmite posts. jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wignall12 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, BriggRam said: I suppose your right......but there are some clubs fans I would love to have a tenth of what we are going through NAME NAMES ! ........I'm on tenterhooks here !! BriggRam and RadioactiveWaste 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: The silent majority are distressed by the pro-marmite posts. Agree - I had to go for a lie down. Marmite - urgh, food of the Devil ? Edited February 2, 2022 by BucksRam typo RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriggRam Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, Wignall12 said: NAME NAMES ! ........I'm on tenterhooks here !! Pretty sure we'd be on the same hymn sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, BriggRam said: Pretty sure we'd be on the same hymn sheet On the basis that they’d survive in the end, I wouldn’t mind scaring the **** out of Forest, Leeds, Millwall, Middle Borough, Wycombe, and Birmingham fans by having them go through what we are. RoyMac5 and RadioactiveWaste 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriggRam Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, StaffsRam said: On the basis that they’d survive in the end, I wouldn’t mind scaring the **** out of Forest, Leeds, Millwall, Middle Borough, Wycombe, and Birmingham fans by having them go through what we are. Missed Bristol ? StaffsRam and RadioactiveWaste 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, BriggRam said: Missed Bristol ? Thought they went without saying…..? BriggRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Tamworthram said: I agree but the EFL rules state that they appoint the third arbitrator This worried me given Mr Gibsons influence and that it seems all along they have been running scared of him, but .. in the long term They can’t want Wycombe and Boro to win because of the floodgates it would open ? It does seem odd to have arbitrators appointed by defendant and plaintiff .. if you are representing one side or the other can you really be called an arbitrator ? Their votes would seem to be a forgone conclusion leaving the EFL with a casting vote ? Or have I misunderstood the set up ? RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, jono said: This worried me given Mr Gibsons influence and that it seems all along they have been running scared of him, but .. in the long term They can’t want Wycombe and Boro to win because of the floodgates it would open ? It does seem odd to have arbitrators appointed by defendant and plaintiff .. if you are representing one side or the other can you really be called an arbitrator ? Their votes would seem to be a forgone conclusion leaving the EFL with a casting vote ? Or have I misunderstood the set up ? Presumably the nomination by each party has no bearing - they're simply lawyers accepting a job - but each getting to nominate one of the panel is supposed to head off any accusations that the panel was rigged. Obviously, each party would hope their guy is gonna try to see their side but I think the involvement is limited to nomination and acceptance, they don't get information outside of the hearing as that would be improper (you'd think) I could be wrong on all that though. 8m no expert on marsupials. kevinhectoring, Tamworthram and jono 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Presumably the nomination by each party has no bearing - they're simply lawyers accepting a job - but each getting to nominate one of the panel is supposed to head off any accusations that the panel was rigged. Obviously, each party would hope their guy is gonna try to see their side but I think the involvement is limited to nomination and acceptance, they don't get information outside of the hearing as that would be improper (you'd think) I could be wrong on all that though. 8m no expert on marsupials. One hopes if they actually vote then it will be a secret ballot. At that point we walk it. They can all deny voting for us to their various lobby groups ? …. Wasn’t me Gibbo, must have been one of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, jono said: One hopes if they actually vote then it will be a secret ballot. At that point we walk it. They can all deny voting for us to their various lobby groups ? …. Wasn’t me Gibbo, must have been one of the others. I'm not sure they can as they have to give written reasons for the decision, and they'd record a split vote if there is one. Although I'd like it to be a bit like when they choose a new pope - the crowd gathered outside, waiting on the chimney of EFL towers to show a puff of smoke - but - is it white smoke because Gibson has been defeated, or black choking smog that significantly affects human health risks to signify that the paracites are indeed going to kill the host? jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Brooks Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 In Parliament today Lisa Nandy attacked the government (Michael Gove)in the levelling up debate for allowing the demise of Bury F.C, and it's impact on the northern town of Bury. She said this should never happen again. No mention of Derby but can only help RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, jono said: One hopes if they actually vote then it will be a secret ballot. At that point we walk it. They can all deny voting for us to their various lobby groups ? …. Wasn’t me Gibbo, must have been one of the others. I think they'll examine and debate each parties arguments, and then disclose their thoughts and intentions with the hope of reaching a unanimous agreement. A bit like a panel of magistrates decide an outcome I would imagine. I guess which way each voted may not be made public though if that's what you meant. jono and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, BriggRam said: I don't think it's down to stricter rules......the EFL will just bend the rules again, Boro, Forest, Stoke, Bristol City........none of them will be scrutinized and dealt with the way we have........our plight has awoken the masses to the EFL failings, all will change, and we are the founding member of that change This gives the EFL a potential problem. Those named have an operating model where they buy cheap and sell big, if they don't sell big the model implodes. There large debts over the Covid period are in most part due to the slump in the transfer market. They have asked for a proportion of the debt to be excluded due to this. The EFL's problem is that I doubt if they have done this for Reading and Derby. Also how do you quantify the amount lost as it could be that you don't have suitable players to sell for circa £20m. Also is the slump in fees true? Forest have just turned down £12m for Johnson (good player) which is a large sum! So if the EFL allow the exclusion of more Covid debt than for Reading and Derby do those clubs (bearing in mind they look likely to be contesting the 4th from bottom place) have a case against the EFL and other clubs for loss of income? RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: This gives the EFL a potential problem. Those named have an operating model where they buy cheap and sell big, if they don't sell big the model implodes. There large debts over the Covid period are in most part due to the slump in the transfer market. They have asked for a proportion of the debt to be excluded due to this. The EFL's problem is that I doubt if they have done this for Reading and Derby. Also how do you quantify the amount lost as it could be that you don't have suitable players to sell for circa £20m. Also is the slump in fees true? Forest have just turned down £12m for Johnson (good player) which is a large sum! So if the EFL allow the exclusion of more Covid debt than for Reading and Derby do those clubs (bearing in mind they look likely to be contesting the 4th from bottom place) have a case against the EFL and other clubs for loss of income? This aspect is going to start getting very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Malcolm Brooks said: In Parliament today Lisa Nandy attacked the government (Michael Gove)in the levelling up debate for allowing the demise of Bury F.C, and it's impact on the northern town of Bury. She said this should never happen again. No mention of Derby but can only help We’re not demised. Yet. And hopefully not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB SPORTS Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Been past where they make it. Smells like a skunks fart. All you marmite lovers... True the crap they take out of beer, If it was any good they would leave it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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strawhillram Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 10 hours ago, CBRammette said: If they want the process to be seen to be fair and draw a line, the third has to appointed by someone with no vested interest such as the Sports Minister or similar You’d think. But efl rules say 3rd is appointed by efl. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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