The coronabrexit thread. I mean, coronavirus thread

[G STAR RAM]

10 hours ago, Crewton said:

You've obviously been fortunate enough not to have poor health or a serious accident then, or a job that doesn't put an unreasonable strain on your body or mind. Easy Street is a great gig if you can find it. 

Easy Street?

I grew up in Allenton. My parents didn't have a pot to piss in.

Between them they worked hard to give us what I would call a decent upbringing. Nothing extravagant but taught what was right from wrong. 

Myself I've worked all the hours God sends to get where I have, often sacrificing my health, and probably my marriage, to try and give my kids everything they wish for.

You're probably right though, a good union is what I probably should really have strived for...

[Archied]

20 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Easy Street?

I grew up in Allenton. My parents didn't have a pot to piss in.

Between them they worked hard to give us what I would call a decent upbringing. Nothing extravagant but taught what was right from wrong. 

Myself I've worked all the hours God sends to get where I have, often sacrificing my health, and probably my marriage, to try and give my kids everything they wish for.

You're probably right though, a good union is what I probably should really have strived for...

Yep , grew up in Newhall , have never never had a job that DID NOT put a massive strain on my body  running a small business is not exactly strain free on the mind or emotions either , mention that to mr crew ton and your angry and unhappy with your lot , don’t mention it and your on easy street ??‍♂️, not really sure what qualifies anyone to have a different opinion from the left wing ultras

[G STAR RAM]

17 minutes ago, Archied said:

Yep , grew up in Newhall , have never never had a job that DID NOT put a massive strain on my body  running a small business is not exactly strain free on the mind or emotions either , mention that to mr crew ton and your angry and unhappy with your lot , don’t mention it and your on easy street ??‍♂️, not really sure what qualifies anyone to have a different opinion from the left wing ultras

Absolutely nothing unfortunately. 

Buy into our way of thinking or you are an ultra right wing, racist, xenophobic, homophobic etc etc

[Ram-Alf]

23 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

 

Tell you something though if my sickness rate was at the same rate as the NHS average I would expect to be out of a job.

While at RR as a Senior union official my task was to defend those that put me in that position, Unfortunately the ones I mostly had to defend was for sickness, RR after a successful 13 week probation period gets you 6 months sick pay and 6 months at half just like the NHS, Then service comes into play on sick pay...up to 2 years then half pay.

Now this is where some not all take the pi$$, At RR you get 6 weeks holidays and then bank holidays on top, There were 7% out of 180 workforce where I was that didn't want to work for their corn, the same 12-15 people..it happens in all industry with paid sick leave, 5 of those 12-15 people lost their jobs...to lose your job at RR you have to be a fool...those 5 were effing stupid.

[Stive Pesley]

An informative thread from someone with first hand experience of what is going wrong in the NHS and why. Worth a read of the whole thing

 

 

[i-Ram]

3 hours ago, Crewton said:

Our regular Postie has Crohn's Disease and works his current round because he's never more than 15 minutes walk from a bog. Being in a Union means that when he has a serious flare-up, he doesn't have to worry that his Employer will use it as an excuse to make him redundant. 

The good news is that he will soon be able to sit on the bog all day. The CWU soon won’t have a workforce to ‘support’. The Post Office as a business is now pretty much fooked.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

2 hours ago, The Last Post said:

While at RR as a Senior union official my task was to defend those that put me in that position, Unfortunately the ones I mostly had to defend was for sickness, RR after a successful 13 week probation period gets you 6 months sick pay and 6 months at half just like the NHS, Then service comes into play on sick pay...up to 2 years then half pay.

Now this is where some not all take the pi$$, At RR you get 6 weeks holidays and then bank holidays on top, There were 7% out of 180 workforce where I was that didn't want to work for their corn, the same 12-15 people..it happens in all industry with paid sick leave, 5 of those 12-15 people lost their jobs...to lose your job at RR you have to be a fool...those 5 were effing stupid.

You don't get that for 5 years in the NHS.  it's accrued in increments over this period.

[ketteringram]

7 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

An informative thread from someone with first hand experience of what is going wrong in the NHS and why. Worth a read of the whole thing

 

 

So, there's not enough staff, and there's not enough money. Even if there was enough money, the people aren't available. This is in the NHS, and social care. 

If those are the main issues, has anyone got some workable solution?

I've been lucky. Managed to get to my 60s, and never been in hospital, never been to A and E. Apart from taking an elderly relative.

I'm about to spend 5 or 6 thousand on dentistry, as I cannot get in to an NHS dentist.

I'm happy to pay more income tax or NI, but I'm nearing the end of working life, so that's not going to help much. Is everyone else happy to do the same?

[Comrade 86]

Bit incongruous that self-acclaimed working class heroes, having achieved a degree of financial comfort, are so quick to decry the needs and rights of... well, the working classes. The issue here, to my way of thinking, is that once again, the needs of the many are being coloured by the abuses perpetrated by the few. I've argued in the past that the same is true of the welfare state, but inevitably, entrenched opinions remain just so and as such, I no longer bother. That said, while some sit and take pot shots at those massive 'perks' enjoyed by nurses, postal workers et al, they seem remarkably indifferent to the 7/8 figure bonuses handed out annually to private sector City workers, on top of their share options, final salary pensions and the raft of other add-on's they enjoy.

[Crewton]

11 hours ago, i-Ram said:

The good news is that he will soon be able to sit on the bog all day. The CWU soon won’t have a workforce to ‘support’. The Post Office as a business is now pretty much fooked.

Nice. ?

[Archied]

1 hour ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Bit incongruous that self-acclaimed working class heroes, having achieved a degree of financial comfort, are so quick to decry the needs and rights of... well, the working classes. The issue here, to my way of thinking, is that once again, the needs of the many are being coloured by the abuses perpetrated by the few. I've argued in the past that the same is true of the welfare state, but inevitably, entrenched opinions remain just so and as such, I no longer bother. That said, while some sit and take pot shots at those massive 'perks' enjoyed by nurses, postal workers et al, they seem remarkably indifferent to the 7/8 figure bonuses handed out annually to private sector City workers, on top of their share options, final salary pensions and the raft of other add-on's they enjoy.

There are no working class hero’s , just working class people, do you know any?  personally my level of financial comfort depends on me still going up and down ladders , banging on roofs and working like a 20 year old at the age of 62 ( takes about an hour every morning to loosen up and walk properly) so will leave the working class hero guff to the likes of you and John Lennon , tough gig that art school and music stuff??

needs v wants is a thin line these days and too many just moan about what they don’t have while totally ignoring what they do have ,

but hey us pretend working class people really need lessons from the sham pain socialists, perhaps I should get a job like mick lynch , seems to pay well with plenty perks 

Edited January 3, 2023 by Archied

[Comrade 86]

11 minutes ago, Archied said:

There are no working class hero’s , just working class people, do you know any?  personally my level of financial comfort depends on me still going up and down ladders , banging on roofs and working like a 20 year old at the age of 62 ( takes about an hour every morning to loosen up and walk properly) so will leave the working class hero guff to the likes of you and John Lennon , tough gig that art school and music stuff??

needs v wants is a thin line these days and too many just moan about what they don’t have while totally ignoring what they do have ,

but hey us pretend working class people really need lessons from the sham pain socialists, perhaps I should get a job like mick lynch , seems to pay well with plenty perks 

[Stive Pesley]

26 minutes ago, Archied said:

perhaps I should get a job like mick lynch , seems to pay well with plenty perks 

I think you would make a good union leader to be honest. You are passionate in your beliefs and deep down you long for a better world for everyone. 

And yes I am being sincere. 

 

 

[Archied]

12 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Shouldn’t you just be standing up for the rights of people like me because as inconvenient as it is for you and the other lib saviour s I am and always have been working class ,, perhaps you actually have very little idea of what your talking about a bit like the rest of the leftie libs and Labour Party , has it never crossed your mind why the Labour Party is dead in the water in places like Scotland and dying a death in working class areas of England ,

perhaps be what you want to be politically but don’t pretend to have a clue about real working class people , and your pic is spot on , I don’t have manicures I file my own nails?

[Comrade 86]

8 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

I think you would make a good union leader to be honest. You are passionate in your beliefs and deep down you long for a better world for everyone. 

And yes I am being sincere. 

Think the idea of a union chief is to promote the needs of your membership, not call slag them all off as work-shy grifters mate ?

[GboroRam]

3 minutes ago, Archied said:

Shouldn’t you just be standing up for the rights of people like me because as inconvenient as it is for you and the other lib saviour s I am and always have been working class ,, perhaps you actually have very little idea of what your talking about a bit like the rest of the leftie libs and Labour Party , has it never crossed your mind why the Labour Party is dead in the water in places like Scotland and dying a death in working class areas of England ,

perhaps be what you want to be politically but don’t pretend to have a clue about real working class people , and your pic is spot on , I don’t have manicures I file my own nails?

You don't even stand up for your own rights, instead you complain about people having it easier than you. 

[Comrade 86]

3 minutes ago, Archied said:

Shouldn’t you just be standing up for the rights of people like me because as inconvenient as it is for you and the other lib saviour s I am and always have been working class ,, perhaps you actually have very little idea of what your talking about a bit like the rest of the leftie libs and Labour Party , has it never crossed your mind why the Labour Party is dead in the water in places like Scotland and dying a death in working class areas of England ,

perhaps be what you want to be politically but don’t pretend to have a clue about real working class people , and your pic is spot on , I don’t have manicures I file my own nails?

And he's off again....

[Crewton]

15 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Easy Street?

I grew up in Allenton. My parents didn't have a pot to piss in.

Between them they worked hard to give us what I would call a decent upbringing. Nothing extravagant but taught what was right from wrong. 

Myself I've worked all the hours God sends to get where I have, often sacrificing my health, and probably my marriage, to try and give my kids everything they wish for.

You're probably right though, a good union is what I probably should really have strived for...

Then why persistently run down and denigrate people who are fighting for a better future for themselves and their families as if they're stealing something from you? I dislike shirkers, lead-swingers and lazy bar-stewards as much as you and @Archiedappear to, but I know they're a relatively small proportion of any particular trade or profession who don't represent the majority. 

I just get the impression from your posts that you're angry with the wrong people because their fight for better pay and to protect their working conditions inconveniences you?

[Archied]

8 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

I think you would make a good union leader to be honest. You are passionate in your beliefs and deep down you long for a better world for everyone. 

And yes I am being sincere. 

 

 

Why thank you stive and I do believe your being sincere and yes if had the power I would bloody well change the way this country/ world works , some just can’t get they’re head around the fact I don’t and won’t accept special cases ,, EVERYONE deserves a decent living and respect and unless you start from that point your wasting your time , nothing will change

[Comrade 86]

Just now, GboroRam said:

You don't even stand up for your own rights, instead you complain about people having it easier than you. 

A working class hero who drives a £60 grand BMW and whines about champagne socialism. All the self-awareness of a common house brick. I'd best be off before another moronic to-and-fro ensues.