Day Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, Paul71 said: so surely just a temporary extension is a win win for all concerned Depends. Sign a short extension, tear your ACL in the remaining games you could be without a club, money for a long time. Wouldn’t be surprised if players are reluctant to sign short extensions, especially when at clubs which have little to play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Can’t see why this is a Covid specific issue. In a normal type season we don’t get players out of contract saying they are not playing in April/May in case they get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Ever since Martin joined permanently we’ve been a better side with him in no doubt, his touch the way he brings players into the game, winning free kicks taking the pressure off late on, We’d miss him massively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: Can’t see why this is a Covid specific issue. In a normal type season we don’t get players out of contract saying they are not playing in April/May in case they get injured. 3 months remaining on a contract vs 10 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: 3 months remaining on a contract vs 10 days? I get that of course, it’s just the “I don’t want to play to the end of my actual contract” thing vs would have been ok to play the last 3 games of the regular season in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Millenniumram said: Hopefully it gets sorted quickly so we don’t end up with a David Luiz situation. Is it just me that thinks he's Sideshow Bob? Or does everyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 13 hours ago, angieram said: I love Waggy and his workrate but prefer him out wide. I totally agree - but by July 1st he might be our main option up front unless we go down the line of forget promotion play the kids especially up front, Holmes might get a starting place or jafoozon out wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, Sparkle said: I totally agree - but by July 1st he might be our main option up front unless we go down the line of forget promotion play the kids especially up front, Holmes might get a starting place or jafoozon out wide Yes, if the unthinkable happens and Chris Martin goes I would like to see Jahmal Hector-Ingram given a chance. I like his confidence and aggression. Got an excellent touch, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Waghorn has scored 12 from 85 shots (1 in 7). Of the 13 other players to have scored as many or more, 5 have had worst shot conversions and 8 better (Fletcher, Wells, Mbuemo, Grant, Bowen, Grabban, Watkins, Mitrovic). Waghorn’s a good enough starter for a side chasing 6th and offers a bit of depth on the wing. Marriott averaged 5.7 shots per goal last season. Ignore penalties and he did better than Fletcher, Grant, Bowen and Mitrovic have done so far this season. 1. Wells 4.1 2. Watkins 4.4 3. Mbueno 4.9 4. Grabban 5.4 Even if you include penalties on Fletcher is added to the list with a better strike rate. Hopefully we get last season’s Marriott back after his operation then I don’t think we’ll be missing Martin too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 12 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Is it just me that thinks he's Sideshow Bob? Or does everyone... Sideshow Bob is more stable and predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 13 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Is it just me that thinks he's Sideshow Bob? Or does everyone... No, it's not just you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool_as_custard Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Article about Sheff Wendies and their similar issues with Fletcher, Fox and Forestieri says that short contract extension for July must be sorted and signed by June 23rd otherwise they leave at end of June. If that is correct, time is of the essence for Martin and Hudds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 If either of them are holding us to ransom over the short-term extension as they want a better long-term deal, then they can go forth and multiply - we need players who are committed to the cause, not mercenaries looking to line their own pockets.....We've been screwed over too many times to let either player take advantage of the situation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Waghorn has scored 12 from 85 shots (1 in 7). Of the 13 other players to have scored as many or more, 5 have had worst shot conversions and 8 better (Fletcher, Wells, Mbuemo, Grant, Bowen, Grabban, Watkins, Mitrovic). Waghorn’s a good enough starter for a side chasing 6th and offers a bit of depth on the wing. Marriott averaged 5.7 shots per goal last season. Ignore penalties and he did better than Fletcher, Grant, Bowen and Mitrovic have done so far this season. 1. Wells 4.1 2. Watkins 4.4 3. Mbueno 4.9 4. Grabban 5.4 Even if you include penalties on Fletcher is added to the list with a better strike rate. Hopefully we get last season’s Marriott back after his operation then I don’t think we’ll be missing Martin too much. Martin's conversion rate? And I think relying on Marriott to fit into cocus system is pretty naive,it just doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: Martin's conversion rate? And I think relying on Marriott to fit into cocus system is pretty naive,it just doesn't work. Martin's better than all of them. However, he only just manages 1 shot per game, making him less of a goal scoring threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: Martin's better than all of them. However, he only just manages 1 shot per game, making him less of a goal scoring threat. How does that work if his goals per minutes on the pitch is better than the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: Martin's better than all of them. However, he only just manages 1 shot per game, making him less of a goal scoring threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: How does that work if his goals per minutes on the pitch is better than the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Martin's better than all of them. However, he only just manages 1 shot per game, making him less of a goal scoring threat. That's because he's busy setting up others but they never give him the bloody ball back! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Ignoring penalties as they skew the figures considerably (for players such as Eze and Benrahma) here's a comparison with the best scorers in the division*: Marriott from last season sits in the middle of the light green (5.7 shots per goal, 2.6 shots per 90), similar to Martin. I think we could get that Marriott back if he manages to stay free from niggling injuries and we create the type of chance he was getting vs Barnsley. *Exclusions: Players to have scored fewer than Martin overall Players to have scored fewer than Martin in open play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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