GboroRam Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 8 hours ago, dcfcfan1 said: We live in a very jealous envious society Were people who are well off , or are good looking are assumed to have it "easy" Were all human beings Having lots of money may not be the cure, but it certainly makes it a lot more comfortable. I'd rather be a prince in a palace with mental health issues than on the streets with mental health issues. Let's not pretend having money isn't a big support in these issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 11 hours ago, GboroRam said: Probably approaching politics thread territory, but I can't see how someone ban be pro Brexit and "taking back control" "regain our sovereignty" and not oppose the right of Kings to take the throne. If the EU is undemocratic, what does that make the Royal family? A National asset IMO. And by that I mean that they cost a bit to maintain but generate a lot more income for the country than they cost. While ever this remains the case, they should be "maintained" but they are and always will be irrelevant to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Van Wolfie said: A National asset IMO. And by that I mean that they cost a bit to maintain but generate a lot more income for the country than they cost. While ever this remains the case, they should be "maintained" but they are and always will be irrelevant to me. A bit like how we're now accepting that leaving the EU will cost us money but it's worth it to get control back from the undemocratic institution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, GboroRam said: A bit like how we're now accepting that leaving the EU will cost us money but it's worth it to get control back from the undemocratic institution? My opinion is purely based on simple economics & maths. Nothing to do with democracy. How is the monarchy undemocratic anyway? Does her Maj write the queen's speech?. Are there any examples (in modern times) of the monarch over-ruling the elected parliament in anything? The Monarchy is a symbolic income generator & gawd bless 'em for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Having lots of money may not be the cure, but it certainly makes it a lot more comfortable. I'd rather be a prince in a palace with mental health issues than on the streets with mental health issues. Let's not pretend having money isn't a big support in these issues. Not just mental health, but physical health too. Do you think they have to deal with NHS waiting lists when they have a problem? And being waited on hand and foot, wanting for absolutely nothing does seem to prolong your life beyond what most of us could hope for Queen Mother - lived to nearly 102 The Queen - 93 and still going strong Prince Phillip - 98 and still hanging in there Princess Margaret - died at 71 despite being a heavy drinker and smoker with one lung! Prince Charles - 71 and still considered a spring chicken 24 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: The Monarchy is a symbolic income generator Yep - but I don't think there is any argument that they wouldn't continue to be a symbolic income generator if their place in the constitution was altered so that they didn't live a life of such needless privilege Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Prince Phillip - 98 and still hanging in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said: Yep - but I don't think there is any argument that they wouldn't continue to be a symbolic income generator if their place in the constitution was altered so that they didn't live a life of such needless privilege Hmmmm, not sure quite as many foreign tourists would visit if the palaces became council offices and the queen was living in a Croydon semi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: Hmmmm, not sure quite as many foreign tourists would visit if the palaces became council offices and the queen was living in a Croydon semi. The Palace of Versailles is doing alright and they haven’t had a monarch for over 150 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 55 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: The Palace of Versailles is doing alright and they haven’t had a monarch for over 150 years. They'd be doing better if they had royal residents though IMO. We'll never know of course. Anyway, I'm happy to continue ignoring the UK version as long as they bring in more than they cost. Having said that, we do wind my daughter up that we're going to fix her up with Prince George, as she's just turned 7 (a few months older than he is). He response is of course along the lines of: "EEeeeeeewwwww, what do I want a boyfriend for?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 57 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: The Palace of Versailles is doing alright and they haven’t had a monarch for over 150 years. Precisely my point. I wasn't suggesting we decommissioned the landmarks or kill the people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 No issues with Harry and Megan not wanting to be royals. I do have an issue with the timing, right after the tax payer paid millions for their home refurbishment, and also the fact the tax payer will still have to fund their travel and security. If they want to go, then go, but stop taking money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 48 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: Anyway, I'm happy to continue ignoring the UK version as long as they bring in more than they cost I suppose it's always difficult to quantify the revenue they generate through tourism, but the cost is best reflected in the Sovereign grant -which in 2019 was £67m. I’m pretty sure that the top level royals (ie the only ones anyone knows or cares about) could get by on, say £20m a year instead. If not I’d be willing to have a go at it for them as a test! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 20 hours ago, reverendo de duivel said: If Andrew was my uncle I'd make sure I was his favourite nephew. 'What you up to Uncle Andy'? "Not much, flying down to the Caribbean on my mates jet at the weekend for one of his legendary pool parties, hosted by beautiful scantily clad women around your age". 'Cool, can I come'? You'd be ok with making eye contact with your Uncle as you're pummeling said scantily clad women (technically children). Personally I'd do exactly the same as Harry if my Mrs was constantly getting untrue stuff written about her by the right wing gutter press, all because she has dark skin. He's seen the bottom feeding duckwits kill his Mum, doesn't surprise me at all that he wants to keep his Mrs from suffering the same fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Andicis said: No issues with Harry and Megan not wanting to be royals. I do have an issue with the timing, right after the tax payer paid millions for their home refurbishment, and also the fact the tax payer will still have to fund their travel and security. If they want to go, then go, but stop taking money. Agreed. If they don't want to be Royals that's their decision. But the way all of this has been orchestrated is awful. There is no half in or half out. No money, no security, no freebies whatsoever. No use of titles or all of this awful commercialisation off a Royal brand she's orchestrated behind the scenes. As a side note I now agree with what many people have been saying about Megan for years. She's isolated Harry from all his family and friends now and taken him thousands of miles away. She did the same with all of her friends and family. The company they now keep are just wealthy virtue signalling celebrity preaches. She's bad news. If Megan and Harry think they have had it tough, they are in for a shock and an order of magnitude more of it. People are sick to their back teeth of wealthy hypocritical virtue signallers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofmidnight Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Not really very interested in Royalty myself and certainly don't buy newspapers to see what they are up to but I've not been able to escape this. From my point of view certain members of the Royal family court celebrities, going on holidays with people such as Elton John and seem to invite interest from the press by the life they live and the company they keep. Princess Anne on the other hand is the most hard working Royal who behaves with dignity like her mother the Queen. As regards Megan and Harry they can go but I don't see any reason for the tax payer to fund their security or fork out any more money on housing improvements. A very much slimmed down Royal family who behave with dignity and work hard has got to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dappled Ram said: A very much slimmed down Royal family who behave with dignity and work hard has got to be better. Over the years, Phillip, Charles and William have all acted in a manner that is far from dignified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Over the years, Phillip, Charles and William have all acted in a manner that is far from dignified. What has William done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Paul71 said: What has William done? The same as his dad and grandad, allegedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: The same as his dad and grandad, allegedly. Whats that? Philip is a clown yes, Charles not so..no idea what William is supposed to have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Paul71 said: Whats that? Philip is a clown yes, Charles not so..no idea what William is supposed to have done. Shagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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