Highgate Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Norman said: Like Corbyn? No. So what point were you making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Highgate said: So what point were you making? Hypocrisy. Thought that was quite clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Norman said: Hypocrisy. Thought that was quite clear. But you haven't given any example of hypocrisy. How is it hypocritical for a left-leaning politician to become wealthy whilst consistently advocating higher taxes for the wealthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Schools now to remain open during Easter holidays. Is the government expecting teachers and other support staff to work through their holiday for nothing. Can we expect to see Parliament sitting over Easter. What's next, getting teachers to extend their babysitting duties into the weekends. Why stop there, ship in a few camp beds and the kids won't need to go home at all. Then all the essential workers can carry on working 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Schools now to remain open during Easter holidays. Is the government expecting teachers and other support staff to work through their holiday for nothing. Can we expect to see Parliament sitting over Easter. What's next, getting teachers to extend their babysitting duties into the weekends. Why stop there, ship in a few camp beds and the kids won't need to go home at all. Then all the essential workers can carry on working 24/7. No doubt you are right but I’ve not seen (yet) that some schools will remain open during Easter. I’m a school governor so no doubt I’ll see full details at some stage. Apparently, teachers unions are supportive but want to see more details of the plan. Why can’t you take the same stance before jumping to conclusions and having another pop at the government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: No doubt you are right but I’ve not seen (yet) that some schools will remain open during Easter. I’m a school governor so no doubt I’ll see full details at some stage. Apparently, teachers unions are supportive but want to see more details of the plan. Why can’t you take the same stance before jumping to conclusions and having another pop at the government? Gavin Williamson the Education Secretary, announced in the commons today that schools would remain open over Easter. This announcement will probably effect more than some schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Highgate said: But you haven't given any example of hypocrisy. How is it hypocritical for a left-leaning politician to become wealthy whilst consistently advocating higher taxes for the wealthy? I gave the examples. ducking hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 8 hours ago, 1of4 said: I'll bet big business as more sway over the governance of our country than you or I do. Why do you always miss the letter "h" off the word has ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, bigbadbob said: Why do you always miss the letter "h" off the word has ? Cause I'm common and I've always dropped me aitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Norman said: I gave the examples. ducking hell. You gave what you claimed were examples of hypocrisy, but they weren't remotely valid. Still waiting for an appropriate example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 10 hours ago, Tamworthram said: No doubt you are right but I’ve not seen (yet) that some schools will remain open during Easter. I’m a school governor so no doubt I’ll see full details at some stage. Apparently, teachers unions are supportive but want to see more details of the plan. Why can’t you take the same stance before jumping to conclusions and having another pop at the government? This is what has been said 'Where possible, we would encourage settings to also look after key workers’ children and vulnerable children throughout the Easter holidays.' Seems a sensible approach if it can be worked, it does not seem to be a case of 'all schools will remain open' as was suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Paul71 said: This is what has been said 'Where possible, we would encourage settings to also look after key workers’ children and vulnerable children throughout the Easter holidays.' Seems a sensible approach if it can be worked, it does not seem to be a case of 'all schools will remain open' as was suggested. I’m sure they’ll get paid but, and I haven’t really thought it through yet so quite prepared to be shot down, if they can’t be paid extra for working Easter then maybe one solution would be to have a rota of staff so that it’s not always the same staff having to come in to look after the kids (they have said that it is envisaged only a skeleton staff would be required and most teachers would be off). Therefore, some would work the Easter weeks (it’s not as if they can go away or have family gatherings anymore) but their “Easter break” would be at a different time. Still a lot of details to come including what, if anything, they would expect teachers not in work to do. I’m not one of those that think teachers do nothing during the school holidays (I’m a school governor, my brother and sister in law we’re head teachers, my wife used to be a school secretary and my daughter is a trained teacher so, have a little knowledge on the subject). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: I’m sure they’ll get paid but, and I haven’t really thought it through yet so quite prepared to be shot down, if they can’t be paid extra for working Easter then maybe one solution would be to have a rota of staff so that it’s not always the same staff having to come in to look after the kids (they have said that it is envisaged only a skeleton staff would be required and most teachers would be off). Therefore, some would work the Easter weeks (it’s not as if they can go away or have family gatherings anymore) but their “Easter break” would be at a different time. Still a lot of details to come including what, if anything, they would expect teachers not in work to do. I’m not one of those that think teachers do nothing during the school holidays (I’m a school governor, my brother and sister in law we’re head teachers, my wife used to be a school secretary and my daughter is a trained teacher so, have a little knowledge on the subject). Sounds sensible. As you a lot of details to come out, I am glad I am not in charge of sorting all this out. It is very trying times. I am sure as you have said some sort of rota, after all the numbers in school are going to vastly reduced so i doubt each school day will require a full complement of teachers and assistants in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 It was interesting to me that the financial package of government help was introduced at the press conference as "an initial" £350bn. It will end up being a lot more than that. The small business I work for is going to go for whatever help is available. We don't see there is a choice, frankly. Much of the support is via loans but I would predict that these loans will either have to be written off (so as not to kill the businesses they've been trying to keep going through this - and therefore they won't get their money back), or be handled like the student loans are today: There will be a higher level of corporation tax in future for those businesses - for a period of time - after which, the debt is written off. ....all my opinions & predictions of the likely outcomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 49 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: The small business I work for is going to go for whatever help is available. We don't see there is a choice, frankly. Much of the support is via loans but I would predict that these loans will either have to be written off (so as not to kill the businesses they've been trying to keep going through this - and therefore they won't get their money back), or be handled like the student loans are today: There will be a higher level of corporation tax in future for those businesses - for a period of time - after which, the debt is written off. Yeah - it will get interesting. There is no way they are going to announce unconditional free loans that you never have to pay back (because there would be a borrowing frenzy). I guess they have to strike a balance of how much they can ever recoup. And so many different scenarios A friend has a small business that they just got off the ground last year- they already have huge loans which they are planned to pay off from their business plan over the next 10 years. Now their business has just stopped, they are dead in the water. Borrowing even more money to keep the business afloat doesn't seem a viable option. They have almost zero business until this is all over, so they need to almost mothball and try to stay alive as humans, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Yeah - it will get interesting. There is no way they are going to announce unconditional free loans that you never have to pay back (because there would be a borrowing frenzy). I guess they have to strike a balance of how much they can ever recoup. And so many different scenarios Precisely. 10 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: A friend has a small business that they just got off the ground last year- they already have huge loans which they are planned to pay off from their business plan over the next 10 years. Now their business has just stopped, they are dead in the water. Borrowing even more money to keep the business afloat doesn't seem a viable option. They have almost zero business until this is all over, so they need to almost mothball and try to stay alive as humans, Depends if they've still got a viable business plan once normality resumes. If that's the case, then the extra loan to keep them going would still be worthwhile, surely. A large part of my company's income comes from research & development consultancy to other (mainly small) businesses. Clearly that has now all gone down the toilet, as no business is going to spend money they don't need to. We're going to be going for the loan to keep a small number of people employed and those skills available, for once the situation improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Barnier now has CV-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Barnier now has CV-19. Can't see that helping negotiation timescales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Can't see that helping negotiation timescales. There are no timescales now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 23 hours ago, Norman said: Name me a Socialist state that has done well. One that is truly left wing and opens its borders to all. Does electing Bernie Sanders mean the US would suddenly become a socialist state? I feel like that country could benefit from a 'dash' of socialism, just as we benefited in 1948. Bernie Sanders could perhaps do that, without ever being able to turn it into the next Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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