Norman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Care to qualify that statement or is it the usual empty Norman soundbite? Look at the supposed left wing candidates in the US at the minute. Socialist until it comes down to the individual, which is where capitalism takes over. You going to offer me out over PMs today? You wouldn't dare. You're not about it. You won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said: You have no thoughts on it? Isn't he right that our political culture of denial has been found out? Conspiracy theory. Who says the world is perfect. I am to assume that Raab gets a call from some tobacco CEO every morning telling him what to do? I am just trying to imagine those board meetings.. Item 1 - ducking over the poor. Item 2 - Create a global pandemic. Item 3 - duck over the poor again. I am sure big business tries to sway opinion, everyone is trying to sway opinion in one or another. Does not mean it is successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Fair play to you for reading it, I stopped after the first sentence. I hadnt when I first posted. Then the pressure mounted and I caved. Off for a shower now, I feel dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Norman said: Look at the supposed left wing candidates in the US at the minute. Socialist until it comes down to the individual, which is where capitalism takes over. You going to offer me out over PMs today? You wouldn't dare. You're not about it. You won't do it. So you've nothing in other words. As you were then pal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: So you've nothing in other words. As you were then pal ? Name me a Socialist state that has done well. One that is truly left wing and opens its borders to all. You not offering me out today? I'm the hardest bloke on the Internet, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Conspiracy theory. Who says the world is perfect. I am to assume that Raab gets a call from some tobacco CEO every morning telling him what to do? I am just trying to imagine those board meetings.. Item 1 - ducking over the poor. Item 2 - Create a global pandemic. Item 3 - duck over the poor again. I am sure big business tries to sway opinion, everyone is trying to sway opinion in one or another. Does not mean it is successful. I'll bet big business as more sway over the governance of our country than you or I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Norman said: I'm the hardest bloke on the Internet, mate. So you keep telling everyone pal in between bleating over passive aggression. 'An absolute unit' wasn't it? You've been given examples so many times of working social democracies, I was just curious to see if you could actually back up your 'all socialists are blue meanies' BS but unsurprisingly you can't so best leave it there really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: So you keep telling everyone pal in between bleating over passive aggression. 'An absolute unit' wasn't it? You've been given examples so many times of working social democracies, I was just curious to see if you could actually back up your 'all socialists are blue meanies' BS but unsurprisingly you can't so best leave it there really. I am a paraody of you, mate pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Norman said: I am a paraody of you, mate pal. Course you are petal, only difference being I can spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Norman said: Name me a Socialist state that has done well. One that is truly left wing and opens its borders to all. You not offering me out today? I'm the hardest bloke on the Internet, mate. Just remember you're not in this alone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Course you are petal, only difference being I can spell. Says the man editing his posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, 1of4 said: I'll bet big business as more sway over the governance of our country than you or I do. I dunno, I’ve got Rishi on the other line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Norman said: Says the man editing his posts. Couldn't resist pointing out that all those steroids are ducking up your basic spelling and grammar pal. It amused me. Anyway, I'll leave you and G-Star to your digital reach-arounds. Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Couldn't resist pointing out that all those steroids are ducking up your basic spelling and grammar pal. It amused me. Anyway, I'll leave you and G-Star to your digital reach-arounds. Enjoy! No steroids, no creatine, no caffeine. I'm just a hench tuna covered in sunflower oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Couldn't resist pointing out that all those steroids are ducking up your basic spelling and grammar pal. It amused me. Anyway, I'll leave you and G-Star to your digital reach-arounds. Enjoy! Feel free to join us. PM if you want to arrange a meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 41 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: I hadnt when I first posted. Then the pressure mounted and I caved. Off for a shower now, I feel dirty. Had you read the article one minute before this post, when you seem to think it was suggesting that big business had created a global pandemic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Had you read the article one minute before this post, when you seem to think it was suggesting that big business had created a global pandemic? Still in the shower... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Norman said: Look at the supposed left wing candidates in the US at the minute. Socialist until it comes down to the individual, which is where capitalism takes over. Are you suggesting that politicians that are in favour of higher taxes on the wealthy in return for better healthcare, education etc shouldn't themselves be wealthy? Is that the point you were making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Highgate said: Are you suggesting that politicians that are in favour of higher taxes on the wealthy in return for better healthcare, education etc shouldn't themselves be wealthy? Is that the point you were making? Like Corbyn? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Angry Ram said: Conspiracy theory. Who says the world is perfect. I am to assume that Raab gets a call from some tobacco CEO every morning telling him what to do? I am just trying to imagine those board meetings.. Item 1 - ducking over the poor. Item 2 - Create a global pandemic. Item 3 - duck over the poor again. I am sure big business tries to sway opinion, everyone is trying to sway opinion in one or another. Does not mean it is successful. That's a perfectly valid reading of the article (and I'm glad you did read it in the end) - and probably not a million miles from my only criticism of it, which is that he may be overstating the case in such a dramatic manner that doesnt help his case. People will be inclined to dismiss it because of the tone There is a hell of a lot of depressing truth in what he says though about the nature of modern politics being public relations for vested interests. When was the last time you genuinely believed that a change was being made purely for the benefit of the man in the street and not for the interests of a lobbyist? Politics is just about convincing us that the former is true, when it very rarely is. Now suddenly we actually need politicians to make decisions for us - to literally hold the fabric of society together and not because they are being lobbied by a particular interest. These are weird times. Hell I even liked a post by @Uptherams earlier (and I wasnt even being sarcastic!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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