Carl Sagan Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Archied said: Ok time to throw your hats in the ring before the event ,,,, if the brexit party blow others out of the water in the euro elections will you take it as a pointer that the country has not swayed to remain since the referendum as claimed by remainers or will it mean nothing ? In which case the same importance applied if a pro remain party comes out on top , be good to put it out ther before any result so no after the event spin will cut it 18 minutes ago, StivePesley said: It's a good question - I suspect turn out will be incredibly low for the Euro elections, people are generally disillusioned by it. The type of person to go and out deliberately vote for a Brexit party MEP is the stereotypical beetroot-faced gammon, full of rage protesting against their own impotence. They probably will garner a lot of those votes, but it won't be more than the 17 million who voted Brexit - so I wouldn't read anything into it. I think most people will just vote the same way they always vote. "pro-remain" = Lib Dems then? I voted remain but I'm not going to vote Libdem in the euro elections Just discovered the politics thread. Been very busy. I am astonished leavers have remained so steadfast in the face of the universal barrage telling them of their stupidity. The remain parties are busy fighting each other and many have had it up to here with Tories and Labour. I'd expect that if the EU elections happened, there would be a massive turnout but with the remain vote split the Brexit Party would triumph. But the two main parties can't afford that to happen so will come to an agreement for Brexit in name only, so that either the elections aren't fought or those elected aren't able to take their seats. It seems inevitable that there'll be a general election this year and if some sort of deal isn't done before then, it's the end of the Tories and possibly the end of Labour too. And a whole new politics. We can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: it's the end of the Tories and possibly the end of Labour too. And a whole new politics. We can hope. We can hope yes, and no one would like to see a change to the parliamentary process more than me. Right now though, the only "new" politics being offered seems to be the CUK/TIG people (essentially establishment funded shills pretending to not be part of the establishment) and your Yaxley-Lennons peddling populist xenophobic guff God help us - there are no good alternative options at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 hours ago, StivePesley said: We can hope yes, and no one would like to see a change to the parliamentary process more than me. Right now though, the only "new" politics being offered seems to be the CUK/TIG people (essentially establishment funded shills pretending to not be part of the establishment) and your Yaxley-Lennons peddling populist xenophobic guff God help us - there are no good alternative options at the moment I believe that for as long as you have people who view politics as a route to power, prestige, patronage and shedloads of dosh, there will not be any material change. Even Corbyn's dreams of a socialist utopia come conditioned with the presumption of a life led in an agreeable Islington house.......? And he's branded as something between Stalin and Satan........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 6 hours ago, StivePesley said: We can hope yes, and no one would like to see a change to the parliamentary process more than me. Right now though, the only "new" politics being offered seems to be the CUK/TIG people (essentially establishment funded shills pretending to not be part of the establishment) and your Yaxley-Lennons peddling populist xenophobic guff God help us - there are no good alternative options at the moment Yep ,, it’s depressing really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 6 hours ago, StivePesley said: We can hope yes, and no one would like to see a change to the parliamentary process more than me. Right now though, the only "new" politics being offered seems to be the CUK/TIG people (essentially establishment funded shills pretending to not be part of the establishment) and your Yaxley-Lennons peddling populist xenophobic guff God help us - there are no good alternative options at the moment The trouble is I don't believe in a god. It worries me greatly that we could end up putting the future of our nation into the hands of Nigel Farage and others like him. Who I think is using the turmoil caused by brexit to further himself and not for the good of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, 1of4 said: The trouble is I don't believe in a god. It worries me greatly that we could end up putting the future of our nation into the hands of Nigel Farage and others like him. Who I think is using the turmoil caused by brexit to further himself and not for the good of the country. As opposed to the rest of the clowns who need no turmoil to cover their same goals and actions ? Steve is right in his post that has little faith in the lot of them at this present time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 hours ago, HantsRam said: Even Corbyn's dreams of a socialist utopia come conditioned with the presumption of a life led in an agreeable Islington house.......? And he's branded as something between Stalin and Satan........ Corbyn has spent 30 years pursuing parliamentary matters. This accusatory slur that he's a communist is wide of the mark, way wide. He's an old school leftie, wanting parliamentary socialism, the same flavour that delivered the NHS. Don't believe the press, which are without exception politically between Blair and Mussolini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Corbyn has spent 30 years pursuing parliamentary matters. This accusatory slur that he's a communist is wide of the mark, way wide. He's an old school leftie, wanting parliamentary socialism, the same flavour that delivered the NHS. Don't believe the press, which are without exception politically between Blair and Mussolini. Nobody's insinuating he's a communist. But he's an idealist who's spent his life protesting rather than actually delivering the improvements to people that his vision sets out. And he has done his protesting from a relatively stable and comfortable place. He crops up a lot in Tony Benns diaries in the early 80s. Lots of debating, analysis etc. As you say, old school Bennite type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 53 minutes ago, Archied said: As opposed to the rest of the clowns who need no turmoil to cover their same goals and actions ? Steve is right in his post that has little faith in the lot of them at this present time I don't like how any of our present politicians have conducted themselves over the last number of years. But I'm more concerned about Farage and his ilk. The sort of damage they can inflict on the country, If they manage to gets any semblance of power within the nations government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, HantsRam said: Nobody's insinuating he's a communist. I think you'll find that there are people saying it quite vocally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, GboroRam said: I think you'll find that there are people saying it quite vocally. Alright, I'll be more specific. My post wasn't insinuating that he's a communist. I don't disagree that there are those who would attach one of many pejorative left wing labels on him. I just don't think he's all that much use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 40 minutes ago, HantsRam said: Nobody's insinuating he's a communist. But he's an idealist who's spent his life protesting rather than actually delivering the improvements to people that his vision sets out. And he has done his protesting from a relatively stable and comfortable place. He crops up a lot in Tony Benns diaries in the early 80s. Lots of debating, analysis etc. As you say, old school Bennite type. Nobody insinuates he's a communist apart from The Times, The Sun, The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph, The Express, The Star, Sky News, Google's news feed and The Morning Star.* Thing is it's not worked so far and the British public hasn't run a mile, so now he's an anti-Semite. He'll be a kiddy fiddler next, should he carry on as he is. One last point, he's never before been in a position to effect change, and still isn't, so it's not very fair to say he's spent his life protesting and not improving people's lives. Having said all that, he does remind me of the John Cleese character in 'Life of Brian'. *One of these is untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 hours ago, 1of4 said: I don't like how any of our present politicians have conducted themselves over the last number of years. But I'm more concerned about Farage and his ilk. The sort of damage they can inflict on the country, If they manage to gets any semblance of power within the nations government. Can’t see him ever getting any real power or as you call his ilk either , he has a narrow issue appeal that is strengthened by the shifty clowns we have as politicians who treat the electorate with total disregard whilst they audition for I’m a celebrity get me out of here ,it’s hard to see how we improve the standard of candidates we get asked to vote for , perhaps Corbyn in number ten might be what we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 12 hours ago, reveldevil said: Nobody insinuates he's a communist apart from The Times, The Sun, The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph, The Express, The Star, Sky News, Google's news feed and The Morning Star.* Thing is it's not worked so far and the British public hasn't run a mile, so now he's an anti-Semite. He'll be a kiddy fiddler next, should he carry on as he is. One last point, he's never before been in a position to effect change, and still isn't, so it's not very fair to say he's spent his life protesting and not improving people's lives. Having said all that, he does remind me of the John Cleese character in 'Life of Brian'. *One of these is untrue. The "nobody" I was referring to was me, in my original post. I don't know what any of those papers call him, because I don't read any of those shrieking rags. For me, It's the Economist for quality of paper, private eye for salacious tittle tattle and Viz for vocabulary ? Nothing particularly against Corbyn- he just reminds me of so many political "activists " at my old university (Essex) who hasn't really ever grown up. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 More trouble ahead: Gavin Williamson sacking: Former defence secretary denies Huawei leak. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48129280 To quote the article 'He was sacked as defence secretary for allegedly disclosing plans to allow Chinese telecoms giant Huawei to help build the UK's 5G network.' Sorry I cannot see that this needs to be secret, this is of National interest, especially with the poo storm happening between the USA and Huawei, (aka USA v China, Apple v Huawei). I expect that Williamson was set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 On 30 April 2019 at 21:04, ariotofmyown said: We should be able to pollute our own see if we want too! On 30 April 2019 at 21:06, eddie said: Kipper spelling detected. ? C.F.V.1.2. two Ronnies spelling detected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 28 minutes ago, McRamFan said: More trouble ahead: Gavin Williamson sacking: Former defence secretary denies Huawei leak. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48129280 To quote the article 'He was sacked as defence secretary for allegedly disclosing plans to allow Chinese telecoms giant Huawei to help build the UK's 5G network.' Sorry I cannot see that this needs to be secret, this is of National interest, especially with the poo storm happening between the USA and Huawei, (aka USA v China, Apple v Huawei). I expect that Williamson was set up. It certainly has a whiff about it. It feels like the plot of a scandinavian political drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, StivePesley said: It certainly has a whiff about it. It feels like the plot of a scandinavian political drama Our political 'elite' are not that intelligent, and that is across all parties, especially the self serving right of the tories, brexit, ukip clusterflookers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 2 hours ago, RamNut said: C.F.V.1.2. two Ronnies spelling detected LOLOAQICI82QB4IP Or one for the older readers... DD is K9P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 2 hours ago, StivePesley said: It certainly has a whiff about it. It feels like the plot of a scandinavian political drama Imagine being sacked from May's cabinet for not doing what you're supposed to? That's like being fired by Judas for not being trustworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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