GboroRam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 11 hours ago, bcnram said: I agree with you views on football. I think you worry too much about possible outcomes should the tories be re-elected. My worry is that Corbyn and his union backed politburo gain power and take the country into financial ruin again. ? Strange, because my worry is that Boris and his multi billionaire backed public school chums gain power and exploit the weakest in society into hardship and misery while allowing for the worst excesses amongst the wealthy again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 15 hours ago, GboroRam said: Just found out some interesting facts. What are the differences between May's deal and Boris' deal? The following 3 clauses have been removed from the original May deal: The UK and the EU commit themselves to implementing the principles of good governance in the area of taxation, including global standards on transparency and exchange of information, fair taxation and OECD standards against Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS). The UK will continue to apply its domestic law which transposes EU Directives on the exchange of information on taxation (Directive 2011/16), anti-tax avoidance rules (Directive 2016/1164), and country-by-country-reporting by credit institutions and investment firms (Directive 2013/36). The UK reaffirms its commitment to curb harmful tax measures as defined in the EU Code of Conduct for business taxation. For reference, Mrs May’s original WA is on:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/756374/14_November_Draft_Agreement_on_the_Withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union.pdf If you wish to compare it yourself, the NEW Withdrawal Agreement is onhttps://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/840655/Agreement_on_the_withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union_and_the_European_Atomic_Energy_Community.pdf Can be summed up by saying Singapore-on-Thames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 The biggest issues to the NHS is two fold. The funding put in, in relationship to population, is below the EU average, France Germany and a few others put more money in than we do (per person). The elderly population is a massive drain on resources, this has been mishandled from Thatcher's days, when it was highlighted as a future issue, all parties have failed to address that. Solution. Increase income tax and/or National Insurance, especially on pensions that are final salary. Bring GP's back under the NHS control, and not private businesses that skim off the profitable services, Gstar might get an appointment then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, McRamFan said: Can be summed up by saying Singapore-on-Thames. Honestly I don't think that's an entirely accurate description. The reason why I say that is that although Singapore is indeed a tax haven and a one-party state such as boris would love, its also had flavours of a Corbyn socialist agenda. For example, social housing there for the home population is a right and at controlled levels of both rent and purchase price that would send Boris and co purple with rage. A better example would be somewhere like Bangladesh, where the masses truly remain downtrodden with poor facilities. Meanwhile the power and wealth is held by a kleptocracy of a few families. Labour is cheap and the profits are enjoyed by the small cadre at the top of government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 11 hours ago, GboroRam said: Strange, because my worry is that Boris and his multi billionaire backed public school chums gain power and exploit the weakest in society into hardship and misery while allowing for the worst excesses amongst the wealthy again ? You know something is seriously wrong when people start writing children's stories about a visit to a food bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 46 minutes ago, McRamFan said: The biggest issues to the NHS is two fold. The funding put in, in relationship to population, is below the EU average, France Germany and a few others put more money in than we do (per person). The elderly population is a massive drain on resources, this has been mishandled from Thatcher's days, when it was highlighted as a future issue, all parties have failed to address that. Solution. Increase income tax and/or National Insurance, especially on pensions that are final salary. Bring GP's back under the NHS control, and not private businesses that skim off the profitable services, Gstar might get an appointment then. Bet you get an appointment straight away with my GP dont you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 16 hours ago, GboroRam said: Just found out some interesting facts. What are the differences between May's deal and Boris' deal? The following 3 clauses have been removed from the original May deal: The UK and the EU commit themselves to implementing the principles of good governance in the area of taxation, including global standards on transparency and exchange of information, fair taxation and OECD standards against Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS). The UK will continue to apply its domestic law which transposes EU Directives on the exchange of information on taxation (Directive 2011/16), anti-tax avoidance rules (Directive 2016/1164), and country-by-country-reporting by credit institutions and investment firms (Directive 2013/36). The UK reaffirms its commitment to curb harmful tax measures as defined in the EU Code of Conduct for business taxation. For reference, Mrs May’s original WA is on:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/756374/14_November_Draft_Agreement_on_the_Withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union.pdf If you wish to compare it yourself, the NEW Withdrawal Agreement is onhttps://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/840655/Agreement_on_the_withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union_and_the_European_Atomic_Energy_Community.pdf I have no idea about what the first one entails but it makes sense really to get rid of the second two - as they are tying us to EC regulations over which we will have no say. Of course it depends what they are replaced by in UK law. Either way, I'm surprised that Labour haven't played this up, to be honest. It should play right into their election narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Just sat in a B&B in Looe. Overheard conversation:- What are all of them cars over there for? 'Its people trying to get in at the local surgery, they queue for half an hour before it opens, it's the only way they can get an appointment'. Appears it's not just me that struggles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 33 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Just sat in a B&B in Looe. Overheard conversation:- What are all of them cars over there for? 'Its people trying to get in at the local surgery, they queue for half an hour before it opens, it's the only way they can get an appointment'. Appears it's not just me that struggles! It's those darn Eastern Europeans again. Looe is full of them and they are always ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Just sat in a B&B in Looe. Overheard conversation:- What are all of them cars over there for? 'Its people trying to get in at the local surgery, they queue for half an hour before it opens, it's the only way they can get an appointment'. Appears it's not just me that struggles! The GP surgery I have has issues nowadays . They have a surgery elsewhere. A new housing estate with 200 houses was built next to it and now my surgery has lost a GP after they had to take on new patients . I have all the issues you have noted and particularly enjoy the 2 hr sit and waits where I normally pick up something else and round we go in a circle. I also think the lack of continuity in seeing locums or a myriad of various doctors with an ongoing condition is also a problem . Things get missed very easily. I dread ever having to ring 111. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ariotofmyown Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: The GP surgery I have has issues nowadays . They have a surgery elsewhere. A new housing estate with 200 houses was built next to it and now my surgery has lost a GP after they had to take on new patients . I have all the issues you have noted and particularly enjoy the 2 hr sit and waits where I normally pick up something else and round we go in a circle. I also think the lack of continuity in seeing locums or a myriad of various doctors with an ongoing condition is also a problem . Things get missed very easily. I dread ever having to ring 111. I lost track of this doctors thread. Are we blaming the Tories for underfunding the NHS, Labour for inventing the NHS or 'foreigners' for putting too much pressure on the NHS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: It's those darn Eastern Europeans again. Looe is full of them and they are always ill. No it's all white men over 70....sent pictures to Shtive for confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: No it's all white men over 70....sent pictures to Shtive for confirmation. I find it strangely amusing that depending upon what side of the political fence you sit, one persons observations are treated as fact and another persons observations are treated as fiction. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: I lost track of this doctors thread. Are we blaming the Tories for underfunding the NHS, Labour for inventing the NHS or 'foreigners' for putting too much pressure on the NHS? Everyone underfunds the NHS or borrows vast sums at ridiculous interest to improve infrastructure and pretend they are funding it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Just sat in a B&B in Looe. Overheard conversation:- What are all of them cars over there for? 'Its people trying to get in at the local surgery, they queue for half an hour before it opens, it's the only way they can get an appointment'. Appears it's not just me that struggles! Looe - a Tory stronghold as well. What will it take for the penny to drop with some people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 You can put money into the NHS to improve patient care or you can put money in to improve profits for huge corporations. I don't believe you can do both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 From Corbyn's election launch speech it's clear that he wants to make this election about far more than Brexit. And so it should be. Contesting the GE as a proxy second referendum might mean you win the votes of the £17m leavers but will that deliver a parliamentary majority? How well have single-issue parties traditionally fared under FPTP? UKIP struggled to win a single seat. The Greens only ever won a handful. There are still plenty of Tory Remainers out there and if they switch to the Lib Dems then the picture gets very murky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Looe - a Tory stronghold as well. What will it take for the penny to drop with some people? Ah so it's the Conservative voters putting pressure on the NHS. Didnt have time to ask how everyone voted to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 So, for the next 40 odd days, we are going to argue about the NHS and probably worker's rights. Why the hell are the opposition party not tearing apart the Withdrawal Agreement? It's almost as if Project Fear didn't work on Brexit after all, so we've moved on to the NHS. Project Fear ll. And let's be honest, the NHS isn't fit for purpose. 9.3 million people born outside of this country with direct access probably doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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