RadioactiveWaste Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 The 11 not currently on holiday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 At the moment, IMO the tactical options are quite limited as we would need to play Vydra as a second striker and wingers are only mediocre at best. Think about it, Weimann, Johnson, Thomas, Lawrence, Blackman...So for those reasons, I'd line up with the diamond. Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Forsyth Huddlestone Bryson Ledley Lawrence Vydra Martin Hardly entertaining team. It's certainly good time to have transfer window open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcumbrianram Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Carson Wisdom keogh davies Bogle lowe/fozzy Hudds Bryson elsnik Vydra/Lawrence Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 It quite interesting how many people were clamouring for Hanson and Rawson to be given a chance a year or two ago. Not so many now. The fact is that Butterfield and Johnson are better than Guy and Elsnick at this point, whether we like it or not. Therefore, as a manager, it’s all well and good bringing in all these youngsters, however you’d be sacked by Xmas if you don’t produce results, so you’d never see the fruits of playing the kids... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbylad92 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, maydrakin said: It quite interesting how many people were clamouring for Hanson and Rawson to be given a chance a year or two ago. Not so many now. The fact is that Butterfield and Johnson are better than Guy and Elsnick at this point, whether we like it or not. Therefore, as a manager, it’s all well and good bringing in all these youngsters, however you’d be sacked by Xmas if you don’t produce results, so you’d never see the fruits of playing the kids... rawson isnt a derby player anymore thats why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, maydrakin said: The fact is that Butterfield and Johnson are better than Guy and Elsnick at this point, whether we like it or not. Errr how is that a fact? I'd rather start Elsnick and/or Guy than Butterfield and maybe even Brad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, maydrakin said: It quite interesting how many people were clamouring for Hanson and Rawson to be given a chance a year or two ago. Not so many now. The fact is that Butterfield and Johnson are better than Guy and Elsnick at this point, whether we like it or not. Therefore, as a manager, it’s all well and good bringing in all these youngsters, however you’d be sacked by Xmas if you don’t produce results, so you’d never see the fruits of playing the kids... Don’t seem to recall clamouring for those two to be starting games at all. Neither were/are good enough imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 8 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Errr how is that a fact? I'd rather start Elsnick and/or Guy than Butterfield and maybe even Brad. If we play Thomas, Elsnik, Bogle and Guy regularly we will be lower mid table at best. I’m not belittling these players, it’s just a statistical likelihood. All of the players we have bought for big money have proved themselves to a degree, we have just not utilised them in a sufficiently suitable way that compliments how they play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 10 hours ago, Derbylad92 said: rawson isnt a derby player anymore thats why. I know - he’s at Forest Green. However he was the replacement for Keogh for many a couple of seasons back for many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, maydrakin said: If we play Thomas, Elsnik, Bogle and Guy regularly we will be lower mid table at best. I’m not belittling these players, it’s just a statistical likelihood. I didn't say we'd be playing them all in the same team. Did you mean to suggest Butterfield and Johnson will be playing together in midfield? Well if so I'd rather have the U23s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbylad92 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I didn't say we'd be playing them all in the same team. Did you mean to suggest Butterfield and Johnson will be playing together in midfield? Well if so I'd rather have the U23s! u23s? i rather have the under 12s then those 2 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: I didn't say we'd be playing them all in the same team. Did you mean to suggest Butterfield and Johnson will be playing together in midfield? Well if so I'd rather have the U23s! I wouldn’t want Butterfield and Johnson together, but either if played right and given a role that suits would be a decent player for us. If we don’t want to play them to their strengths, we get rid - but that applies to any player in our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, maydrakin said: I wouldn’t want Butterfield and Johnson together, but either if played right and given a role that suits would be a decent player for us. If we don’t want to play them to their strengths, we get rid - but that applies to any player in our squad. Yeah so as I said, if it was a choice between Butters or Guy I'd have Guy, or Brad and Guy or Elsnick and Butters I'd have Elsnick, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Weimann Thorne Johnson Anya Vydra Lawrence Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dordogne-Ram Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I think it says a lot about some of our CURRENT players that so many here are even including Lawrence in a "best starting Xl" team : disastrous signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 19 hours ago, maydrakin said: The fact is that Butterfield and Johnson are better than Guy and Elsnick at this point, whether we like it or not. 17 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Errr how is that a fact? I'd rather start Elsnick and/or Guy than Butterfield and maybe even Brad. Given we don't even know what formation Frank favours for the current squad we can't really be dogmatic about either scenario. What I'd really like to see happen is for the likes of Guy, Eksnik, Lowe and Thomas to be given a chance to show us whether or not they are ready to step up. Without gametime how will we ever know. Equally, I'd suggest that currently, none of the younger players has emphatically proven they can displace their senior counterparts. Frank seems keen to promote youth, which I welcome, so it shouldn't be too long before we (and more importantly Frank himself) can make informed decisions, one way or t'other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 A hard-working team of players with superior skill will beat a hard-working team lacking in skill. We have plenty of senior pros who can't really control a football. A key is if Thorne can be fit. If so, why not: Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Thorne Lawrence Bryson Elsnik Thomas Martin Vydra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said: A hard-working team of players with superior skill will beat a hard-working team lacking in skill. We have plenty of senior pros who can't really control a football. A key is if Thorne can be fit. If so, why not: Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Thorne Lawrence Bryson Elsnik Thomas Martin Vydra That team would be absolutely destroyed Carl ? Imagine skinny, 5 ft 7 Thomas, with no/little defensive experience, never mind first team experience, coming up against Boro or West Brom on the first day of the season. Traore or Phillips bombing down the wing at him. He would have a nightmare trying to defend against either of those, whilst also having the responsibility of being one of our main creatives players. Lawrence would probably fair better on his side, but I don't think he's good enough defensively to play a wing-back type role either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 If we are convincingly winning or losing a game then bring young players on for 15 mins. Or tell them that they are on for the first 45 mind only. All this is easy if we have a two year plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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