rammieib Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Simsy said: Is that down to him or McLaren's tactics? A lot of what you are criticising him for isn't even his own fault. I don't mind you not rating Vydra its obviously fine to have different opinions but you need to try hold your tongue more. When you have a genuine dislike for a player a lot of focus is what they are doing wrong. Take Wigan away for example for a lot of us he was great but I think from memory you said he was poor. That is exactly the reason I think no matter how he plays you will say he is poor because from the off you are judging him unfairly. Don't get me wrong he does need to start firing but we do need him to play in his correct position to really see what he is about. Until then, leave the gun unloaded. You're right about my thoughts on Wigan away. I completely agree that my thoughts are prejudiced but likewise, if I feel he does play well I will say so. I'm not alone in my thoughts though am I? Even if you're playing behind the front man, you can still get in the box. A striker should know where the goal is and show a predatory instinct, he doesn't have this at the moment and only seems to have had it one year in his career. Im sure we both want what's best for Derby - i.e Derby winning and of course it's a huge frustration when I believe we are playing someone who contributes nothing. Anyway - I'll still express my view but I wasn't the one who bought the topic back to the front page. Here's to a win on Saturday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 9 hours ago, rammieib said: You're right about my thoughts on Wigan away. I completely agree that my thoughts are prejudiced but likewise, if I feel he does play well I will say so. I'm not alone in my thoughts though am I? Even if you're playing behind the front man, you can still get in the box. A striker should know where the goal is and show a predatory instinct, he doesn't have this at the moment and only seems to have had it one year in his career. Im sure we both want what's best for Derby - i.e Derby winning and of course it's a huge frustration when I believe we are playing someone who contributes nothing. Anyway - I'll still express my view but I wasn't the one who bought the topic back to the front page. Here's to a win on Saturday... Yeah fair enough! Just remember if he starts scoring you may face a backlash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Simsy said: Yeah fair enough! Just remember if he starts scoring you may face a backlash Will take it very willingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, rammieib said: Will take it very willingly I was until my Haemorrhoids flared up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, LesterRam said: I was until my Haemorrhoids flared up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 On 09/02/2017 at 12:26, Simsy said: Is that down to him or McLaren's tactics? A lot of what you are criticising him for isn't even his own fault. I don't mind you not rating Vydra its obviously fine to have different opinions but you need to try hold your tongue more. When you have a genuine dislike for a player a lot of focus is what they are doing wrong. Take Wigan away for example for a lot of us he was great but I think from memory you said he was poor. That is exactly the reason I think no matter how he plays you will say he is poor because from the off you are judging him unfairly. Don't get me wrong he does need to start firing but we do need him to play in his correct position to really see what he is about. Until then, leave the gun unloaded. Reminds me of another striker that the club has out on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I really want him to come good and was happy to see him 'replace' Chris. He really isn't cutting it. Doesn't look like it's going to come off...snatching at chances, every slip he makes the opposition seize upon, lacking in confidence generally. Bent isn't scoring and he still isn't really getting a look-in...says it all...if not now when? Shame but think he may have to be moved on Weimann Mk 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 On 09/02/2017 at 12:26, Simsy said: Take Wigan away for example for a lot of us he was great but I think from memory you said he was poor. That is exactly the reason I think no matter how he plays you will say he is poor because from the off you are judging him unfairly. Are there any other examples of his excellent play being interpreted as poor, or is it just the Wigan game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 4 hours ago, rynny said: Reminds me of another striker that the club has out on loan Spot on. Think somebody needs to take heed of their own advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 23 hours ago, rammieib said: You're right about my thoughts on Wigan away. I completely agree that my thoughts are prejudiced but likewise, if I feel he does play well I will say so. I'm not alone in my thoughts though am I? Even if you're playing behind the front man, you can still get in the box. A striker should know where the goal is and show a predatory instinct, he doesn't have this at the moment and only seems to have had it one year in his career. Im sure we both want what's best for Derby - i.e Derby winning and of course it's a huge frustration when I believe we are playing someone who contributes nothing. Anyway - I'll still express my view but I wasn't the one who bought the topic back to the front page. Here's to a win on Saturday... He did get into the box but the ball to him was bot good enough. There was at least 2 times where he made the run and Butterfield's pass didn't quite get through to him. There was a cross from the right that went behind him and he tried to improvise with a scorpion kick and ended kicking their cb in the head. And that is just off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew James Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 14 hours ago, Simsy said: Yeah fair enough! Just remember if he starts scoring you may face a backlash That would be great if he did, but at the moment he needs to untie his boots as they are tied together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 hour ago, rynny said: He did get into the box but the ball to him was bot good enough. There was at least 2 times where he made the run and Butterfield's pass didn't quite get through to him. There was a cross from the right that went behind him and he tried to improvise with a scorpion kick and ended kicking their cb in the head. And that is just off the top of my head. And that was 15 yards out with an angle. I'm talking 6-12 yards out getting in behind the striker where goals happen.... Andy King position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, rammieib said: And that was 15 yards out with an angle. I'm talking 6-12 yards out getting in behind the striker where goals happen.... Andy King position. Like I said he made the runs. He can't score if he hasn't got the ball. He made the runs, not his fault the ball didn't reach him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 The problem is that bent,ince and even Bryson are scoring once they have a sniff of the ball......perhaps they are positioning themselves more effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I could see a place for Vydra next season, much easier to have him as an option when Martin is back. This would be a very attacking line up and requires a lot of running from our lively full backs... Carson Christie Keogh Pearce Lowe Thorne Ince Hughes Bryson Martin Vydra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 12 hours ago, rynny said: Reminds me of another striker that the club has out on loan Yeah I know, that's why I understand where he is coming from because I know I'm the same with Martin. But difference is I've seen Martin play game after game for years so my judgement is far more creditable. With vydra he's not had a proper crack of the whip... so I get the quick to moan bit but an overall picture... nah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Simsy said: Yeah I know, that's why I understand where he is coming from because I know I'm the same with Martin. But difference is I've seen Martin play game after game for years so my judgement is far more creditable. With vydra he's not had a proper crack of the whip... so I get the quick to moan bit but an overall picture... nah! How many goals did Martin score and create during those years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Not enough... that's why we haven't got anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Simsy said: Not enough... that's why we haven't got anywhere. In a thread full of ridiculous comments that has to be close to the top, if not top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Simsy said: Not enough... that's why we haven't got anywhere. Good lord... your'e serious aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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