TroyDyer Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Very surprised to see people say SM took us backwards. We were going nowhere when he took over. Almost overnight he took us from mid table/potential relegation dog fight, to a kick away from the PL. That's an unbelievable achievement. And as for resources, just how much of Mels millions did he spend? I'm not a massive SM fan and I think Rowett will be a better option for the future, but let's not rewrite history to justify an anti SM stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I blame Bobby Zamora. Still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbylad92 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 The quality of players we were bringing in were a class compared to what we do now! Wisdom,thorne, bamford to the likes of blackman, christie this is why were have been so poor this season! (Im not saying christies crap just not as good as wisdom) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 25 minutes ago, Derbylad92 said: The quality of players we were bringing in were a class compared to what we do now! Wisdom,thorne, bamford to the likes of blackman, christie this is why were have been so poor this season! (Im not saying christies crap just not as good as wisdom) Totally disagree. Christie is better and has far more upside than Wisdom. AW was a solid defender for us so what. He's not even a starter at his loan club in Austria. This defence under Pearson and mac when he took over has been an absolute rock ... and Christie a part of that. Far more resolute than the 13-14 defence. Christie will flourish further especially under the right manager. He has all the tools: speed ball skills trickery tackling, solid in the air ... and in some games this season he's been phenomenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Tell you what watching that video how good is Lee Grant?! Some epic saves. I know Carson is more reliable but his agility isn't on the same levels. Russell and Bryson really are a shadow of themselves now and I hope they both get back to what they were! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 9 hours ago, Nuwtfly said: All it missed was that "Say something, I'm giving up on you" song... Great shout. It would be perfect for that video!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 As someone previously mentioned, if the points achieved under Steve had been spread evenly during his tenure, he perhaps wouldn't have been fired. It must be difficult working for a guy like MM. Telling the media that promotion isn't the main priority, but welding the axe when it starts to look unlikely. Weird behavior imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 He's given this club lot's of good memories, both as a player and coach/manager. It's a shame it had to end the way it has, it was never a sensible idea to try it a second time hoping to rediscover the lost magic, it rarely works out well and so it has proved. Still not sure about the sacking and I hope it doesn't taint the great times that Mac has given this club during his various spells here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Ninos said: Totally disagree. Christie is better and has far more upside than Wisdom. AW was a solid defender for us so what. He's not even a starter at his loan club in Austria. This defence under Pearson and mac when he took over has been an absolute rock ... and Christie a part of that. Far more resolute than the 13-14 defence. Christie will flourish further especially under the right manager. He has all the tools: speed ball skills trickery tackling, solid in the air ... and in some games this season he's been phenomenal. A bit hard for Wisdom to play for a team he is no longer at. Defensively Christie is naive defensively and tends to ball watch, he is often out of position, and often makes the wrong decisions with the ball, mainly through indecisiveness. Personally think Baird should be starting over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 58 minutes ago, europia said: As someone previously mentioned, if the points achieved under Steve had been spread evenly during his tenure, he perhaps wouldn't have been fired. It must be difficult working for a guy like MM. Telling the media that promotion isn't the main priority, but welding the axe when it starts to look unlikely. Weird behavior imo. Surely the axe was used due to the run of pathetic performances with players showing no desire or commitment.Something the manager is 100% responsible for. Nothing to do with promotion. Promotion & wins come from consistent performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Great servant for Derby. player, then coach during our promotion 95/96 thrashing Forest 5-0 and 3-0 clean sheet record at home wembley for playoff final and fantastic semi v Brighton just before. Highest point total in a season 2014 Some exciting football and way more wins than defeats Thank you Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyMark Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Yes it's a shame really. This club was just treading water under Clough junior. McLaren made watching the Rams exciting again, certainly in his first spell and again briefly after he took over from Pearson. You really have to wonder what he and the team could've achieved had it not been for that late, late Wembley sickener... or if the club has ever really recovered since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbylad92 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 12 hours ago, Ninos said: Totally disagree. Christie is better and has far more upside than Wisdom. AW was a solid defender for us so what. He's not even a starter at his loan club in Austria. This defence under Pearson and mac when he took over has been an absolute rock ... and Christie a part of that. Far more resolute than the 13-14 defence. Christie will flourish further especially under the right manager. He has all the tools: speed ball skills trickery tackling, solid in the air ... and in some games this season he's been phenomenal. Totally disagree christie is better attacking cant disagree but defensively and overall wisdom all day long! We just seemed alot more solid aless if thats just coz we had a settled back line (maybe helps) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Him and Jim Smith made a good partnership. Never forgave Manure for breaking that up. Couple of decent Premiership seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 21 hours ago, Ninos said: Give me a break. The dude was utterly clueless and the fact that the team was actually getting worse and losing more with less effort as he got to implement his style speaks volumes. Never liked him then and don't like him now. And I'm not going to partake in nostalgia about someone who with resources at his disposal, accomplished nothing except to hold us back. Utterly clueless? Ah, because as proven you know more than England managers.. which is why you don't want Derby's top scorer back. Think you're the clueless one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Andicis said: Utterly clueless? Ah, because as proven you know more than England managers.. which is why you don't want Derby's top scorer back. Think you're the clueless one. Don't feed it, brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 How will McClaren be remembered in time? He has the highest win percentage (of anyone who has managed more than 15 matches) in the club's history. Obviously you cannot judge great managers purely on win percentage, achievements have to be taken into account. Few would therefore argue the top 2 managers in our history are Clough and Mackay. Few would also argue Arthur Cox and Jim Smith are next along with Stuart Macmillan who won the FA Cup in 1946. But who then? If you go purely on achievement then unfortunately you could say the poison dwarf himself Billy Davies, much as his football was terrible he won promotion to the Premier League. But he also played a significant part in the worst team in premier league history. People can be caught up in modern day football and the instant success or sack him mentality created by social media. Those consumed by that say McClaren is useless, a clown, the wally with the brolly who failed. But if you look at the stats, and also the facts, only the 3rd manager to get us to the playoff final and a 50% win percentage over 2 spells, there is a strong argument to say McClaren is the 6th best manager in our entire history. Just something to think about. For me, the football we played under him was the best since the 90s when he also played a key role as assistant to Jim Smith. He should be commended for what he has done for the club and should hold his head high at what he has achieved in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 On 3/17/2017 at 10:49, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: pathetic performances with players showing no desire or commitment Such is the nature of todays pampered champagne Charlie pro footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarRam Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Excellent video. So many memories. Good times and bad. So much amazing football. We may not be in the Premiership but I wouldn't have swapped the McClaren years for anything. Thank you SM.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I had the(very unexpected pleasure) of meeting him recently and our meeting left a lasting impression on me and my family. What a fantastic fella and an utter gentleman. I wish him all the best and thank him for his time. I really wanted him to turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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