DCFC4LIFE Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 38 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Not that much time season be here before we know. You just malfunctioned my brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Matty James or Loftus Cheek alongside Thorne in midfield ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab a dab doo Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I think Billing is really good shout maybe a 1 year loan swap for Ince if he wants out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Just now, Rab a dab doo said: I think Billing is really good shout maybe a 1 year loan swap for Ince if he wants out. Plus some cash our way of course ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Jimbo Ram said: I would rather see us keep our better players and trim the squad by getting rid of the deadwood...there is enough of it.... That's where you'd struggle then. We need to improve the players that play week in week out, as they're the ones failing, not the deadwood who don't get on the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, RiddingsRam said: Plus some cash our way of course ! He plays for Forest not Huddersfield... like durrrrrrrr?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Saul Pimpson said: He plays for Forest not Huddersfield... like durrrrrrrr?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogbad van 50 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 3 hours ago, SouthernRam said: Feel this is a realistic suggestion for at least the manner of the changes, if not the specific players. Billing is an example of the sort of player I'd like/seems realistic. IN:- Irvine - (Hopeful. Could overload midfield. Younger player to perform the Bryson role.) Billing (loan to perm) Watkins OUT:- Roos (loan) Christie Shackell Ollson Hanson (loan) Ince Blackman Bent Trims the squad considerably, and provides a reasonably strong outfit. Martin/Nugent Russell Irvine Watkins Billing Thorne Forsyth Davies Keogh Wisdom Carson Watkins!-really??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 53 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: That's where you'd struggle then. We need to improve the players that play week in week out, as they're the ones failing, not the deadwood who don't get on the pitch! So what do you want to do with the deadwood then...just keep paying them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernRam Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 21 minutes ago, rcarso1 said: Watkins!-really??? No way of knowing if he'll perform at the level we need, but it's already been touted by Nixon that we'd look at Watkins if Ince left. If not straight away, Russell can play on the right and Vydra, Weimann or even Johnson can fill in on that left side. The key thing is investing in players who increase in ability and value over time. We've failed to do so since Clough left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 48 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: So what do you want to do with the deadwood then...just keep paying them? You learn not to sign them. There's nothing else you can do. You use the lure of a contract to sign them. Aside of that, it wasn't the deadwood that failed, it was the starting players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: You learn not to sign them. There's nothing else you can do. You use the lure of a contract to sign them. Aside of that, it wasn't the deadwood that failed, it was the starting players. So surely you still keep your better players and still try to get rid of the rubbish and replace them with better players....not get rid of your better players? I don't understand the logic. In any place of work you have your good workers and the slackers...get rid of the slackers first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 49 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: So surely you still keep your better players and still try to get rid of the rubbish and replace them with better players....not get rid of your better players? I don't understand the logic. In any place of work you have your good workers and the slackers...get rid of the slackers first... Honest question, who are the slackers? The general consensus is that Blackman, olsson, Weimann, christie and Shackell are to go. Two of those were injured at the end of the season, one was on loan and the other two were either first team or on the fringes. You can't fault the effort of any player at the club currently, its just some of the players have failed to make a real stamp on the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Jimbo Ram said: So surely you still keep your better players and still try to get rid of the rubbish and replace them with better players....not get rid of your better players? I don't understand the logic. In any place of work you have your good workers and the slackers...get rid of the slackers first... The point you're missing is that it's your better/best players that are the ones that failed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 27 minutes ago, RamLad1884 said: Honest question, who are the slackers? The general consensus is that Blackman, olsson, Weimann, christie and Shackell are to go. Two of those were injured at the end of the season, one was on loan and the other two were either first team or on the fringes. You can't fault the effort of any player at the club currently, its just some of the players have failed to make a real stamp on the squad. Perhaps slackers is the wrong term,,,probably not good enough or we can do without would be better. We all have our differing views on who can cut it as a first team regular. If we are looking to raise funds I would be happy to let Olsson, Vydra, Shackell, Blackman, Weimann and Bent go....raise a bit of dosh, free up some wages and allow 3 decent players to come in...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: The point you're missing is that it's your better/best players that are the ones that failed! I am not missing any point Mostyn.......Ince certainly didn't fail last season or since he has been here but it looks like he, along with Hughes are the ones to go. The point you are missing is despite the failure of the team as a whole, some players did perform well and it is those we need to keep.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogbad van 50 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 10 hours ago, SouthernRam said: No way of knowing if he'll perform at the level we need, but it's already been touted by Nixon that we'd look at Watkins if Ince left. If not straight away, Russell can play on the right and Vydra, Weimann or even Johnson can fill in on that left side. The key thing is investing in players who increase in ability and value over time. We've failed to do so since Clough left. All good points except "been touted by Nixon".I wouldn't take his views too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 10 hours ago, SouthernRam said: No way of knowing if he'll perform at the level we need, but it's already been touted by Nixon that we'd look at Watkins if Ince left. If not straight away, Russell can play on the right and Vydra, Weimann or even Johnson can fill in on that left side. The key thing is investing in players who increase in ability and value over time. We've failed to do so since Clough left. Problem in that scenario is Ince doesn't get properly replaced by a senior player who will contribute near to what he did. I suspect Russell and whoever we deem has more experience/ fits the system/performs best in training from Vydra, Bennett, Weimann or Blackman starts and Watkins is initially an impact player at best. I'm kind of pro Watkins if he's seen as good enough by people more familiar than me, but only at a sensible price. £2m max and hefty add ons if he lives up to his potential. A large fee means it isn't a Jacobs or whoever we've had in the past cheap gamble, it's the fee we should be getting a first team improver for. We're not in a position to overpay for anyone who isn't capable of hitting the ground running this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 10 hours ago, SouthernRam said: ... Russell can play on the right and Vydra, Weimann or even Johnson can fill in on that left side. The key thing is investing in players who increase in ability and value over time. We've failed to do so since Clough left. Really don't want a repeat of last season's window, spunking the transfer money on players that didn't make us any better off! Just poorer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Thomas Ince William Hughes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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