Chester40 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 20:34, brady1993 said: I agree he can be frustrating at times but so can all attacking wide players in the championship. They are usually at this level because they are inconsistent. I think in all honesty that this post could go on every individual player thread, and we could just talk 'team tactics' and who plays. Keogh....awesome sometimes but also got the odd mistake in him. Vydra..good link up and pace..not clinical enough in front of goal Butterfield ..neat and tidy but not quick enough to move the game on ...etc etc Every player if they improved their deficiencies would be swooped up by the Premier League...except possibly Will who has everything already and shines out as Premier League quality now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 14 hours ago, Tombo said: To be fair, he once got 9 goals and 6 assists in one season, so not far off I saw that just after I posted, very nearly looked foolish there, completely forgot about Sammon's ''prolific'' season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 14 hours ago, YorkshireRam said: One of the biggest overreactions I've ever seen... You must lead a sheltered life. I was describing the way I feel when I watch him play, which for the vast majority of the time is frustrated and disappointed. The last player who made me feel like that on a regular basis was Sammon. I wasn't comparing their stats, I was talking about my experience of watching the game. If no one was allowed to 'overreact' at a game of football it would all go very quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, Lambchop said: You must lead a sheltered life. I was describing the way I feel when I watch him play, which for the vast majority of the time is frustrated and disappointed. The last player who made me feel like that on a regular basis was Sammon. I wasn't comparing their stats, I was talking about my experience of watching the game. If no one was allowed to 'overreact' at a game of football it would all go very quiet. Not really, just pointing out that Russell is in a different league to Sammon (both hypothetically and literally). Sammon doesn't have the ability to score the goals Russell has/does. Millwall home a couple of seasons ago and of course his goal vs Forest spring to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said: Not really, just pointing out that Russell is in a different league to Sammon (both hypothetically and literally). Yes, I know that. As stated, the comparison was meant to highlight the level of frustration felt watching a player who completely surprises you when he gets something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 43 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said: I saw that just after I posted, very nearly looked foolish there, completely forgot about Sammon's ''prolific'' season He did play every game that year to be fair. Took him 50 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Russell is a worker, every team needs a few. It's not so much about individual skill as it is about team balance, creating and maintaining a working unit. That being said, i am a big fan of Russell who when on form is a real crackerjack and i have every confidence in him raising his game under Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 34 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Yes, I know that. As stated, the comparison was meant to highlight the level of frustration felt watching a player who completely surprises you when he gets something right. and Ince hasn't thus far? His recent form aside Ince has been far more frustrating to watch due to the knowledge that he's one of our most talented players but attitude seems to prevent it from showing most of the time. Russell, even when out of form, will always work hard, covering the fullback, pressuring opposition defences, offering everything he can off the ball as well as on. Now I realise his workrate isn't at question but sometimes it's Russell's quality off the ball that sets him apart; his pace and work ethic make up for his inconsistency in regards to end product. We're winning with Russell in the side and he's continuously been getting the nod from McClaren ahead of other wingers, that's not a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just my subjective reaction. I've always kept faith in Ince because you have that sense he can pull something out of nowhere. I'm not convinced that Ince's lack of form is due to his 'attitude' either. I don't doubt Russell's work rate, but if anything that only increases the frustration when you see him get into a good position or make a run, only to give the ball away ten seconds later. I have started to doubt whether he is capable of becoming a more consistent player, because all the signs for a long time now seem to suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Russell is clearly missing Martin.They had good understanding, bit like Ince and Bent. I'd give Weimann a go, he works as hard and quality-wise offers at least the same as Russell. Maybe could even score a few. By the way, Russell scored one of my favourite goals in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 19 hours ago, Dimmu said: Russell is clearly missing Martin.They had good understanding, bit like Ince and Bent. I'd give Weimann a go, he works as hard and quality-wise offers at least the same as Russell. Maybe could even score a few. By the way, Russell scored one of my favourite goals in recent years. Said it earlier in the season, if you were to choose our top 10 goals since he joined, Johnny has 4-5 candidates to be in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 On 26/11/2016 at 10:34, ramit said: Russell is a worker, every team needs a few. It's not so much about individual skill as it is about team balance, creating and maintaining a working unit. That being said, i am a big fan of Russell who when on form is a real crackerjack and i have every confidence in him raising his game under Mac. Any idea when that will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Russell is doing terrible isn't he how we have managed to win the last five games is beyond me with him only scoring the one winning goal setting teammates up etc and helping a very inexperienced full back out, so yeah let's replace him with someone who does all of that as a minimum and also doubles the ratios, maybe they would have been playing if they could? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 hour ago, toddy said: Any idea when that will be? Not soon enough for you, i suspect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyD Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Johnny helps keep the balance of the side There is no-one better in the championship who can take the ball and turn in one movement - opposition players must hate playing against him, which is why they foul him all the time He chips in with really important goals regularly He absolutely ghosts past players when he moves into space with the ball at his feet moving into the opposition half, creating havoc And always looks to put the ball into his strikers when they make a move He doesn't play for Bayern Munich or Real Madrid. He plays in England's second tier at Derby County. Keep going, Johnny, you are valued by the silent majority, believe me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I think this month will see us get better and better and players like Johnny will only improve going forward. Maybe Ince and Bent are finding more space because players like Russell are keeping the opposition defenders busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpleram Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 18 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I think this month will see us get better and better and players like Johnny will only improve going forward. Maybe Ince and Bent are finding more space because players like Russell are keeping the opposition defenders busy. Lol, most deluded post ever. Ironically about Russell, the most overrated player ever. People need to be a tad more objective regarding Johnny, (although I know the line above is pot calling kettle), I wish it wasn't so, but he is the teams weak link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 There was a brilliant bit of improvisation from Russell at the beginning of the move which led to Johnson's winning goal on Saturday. I think a lot of people missed it. Lowe won the ball, played a one-two with Russell, then gave it back to Russell who took two Norwich players out of the game with an excellent chip over them to Johnson who headed it on to Hughes. Hughes surged forward, nearly lost it, but cleverly laid it off for Johnson to smash home. It was a good move which I don't think was shown from the beginning on 5 or Sky Sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelTheRam Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 It is on the highlights on ramsplayer - along with 2 more good chances for Ince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Russell is a good 'team' player, not necessarily/always a stand-out individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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