Day Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 if we are promoted........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 When we signed Buxton I looked at his record and doubted that he would even be good enough as back up...I was wrong When he had all those injuries I thought that he would struggle to sustain a career as a professional footballer...I was wrong When he started playing regularly I thought that he would soon lose his place...I was wrong As this season unfolded and it became clear that we were looking to move on from being also-rans I doubted that Jake had the quality to make the step up...I was wrong Currently, I doubt that Jake Buxton has the quality to play in the Premier League...just watch the bearded wonder prove me wrong again At this point I wouldn't actually bet against him getting some England caps and Champions League winner's medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC_17 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 jokes aside, he's a great player to have in around the dressing room #toplad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 One thing I hope more than anything esle ,he is being paid what he's worth and not where he came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 it's quite insulting to single him out IMO. If we get promotion, I challenge anyone to argue that Buxton hasn't been in the top 3 or 4 most consistent top performers for us this season, and his actual contribution would warrant him keeping his shirt. I'm realistic enough to know that Buxton's only weakness is turning speed, this may be exploited in the Premier League, but only against a select few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I think he will still be aerial dominant against 90% of players, obviously Crouch, Benteke...etc are an exception. And he won't lose the ball or make stupid mistakes. However, as Torres proved in his little cameo - the top brass can get the better of his positionally, and if they can do that he hasn't got the pace to make up for it. Keogh won't be able to manage it IMO, but this is often the case. We would need two new starting centre-backs as a necessity. I think if we're promoted we could convince Wisdom to stay, already proven himself in the Premier League IMO and Forsyth I think would struggle, certainly to establish himself. It's a big, big jump from the strikers at this level to the next - defensive investment would be our main priority. We'd need a few top draw players coming in though, fortunately we haven't bogged ourselves down with Championship standard players on long contracts though - mention no names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 However, as Torres proved in his little cameo - the top brass can get the better of his positionally, and if they can do that he hasn't got the pace to make up for it. He had Eto'o in his back pocket though. A sentence I'd never thought I'd say when he signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 He had Eto'o in his back pocket though. A sentence I'd never thought I'd say when he signed. Yeah, I suspect that was down to his lack of movement - I'd back Buxton over 90% of players in England from a standing position, he seems to have that will of getting to the ball first that most players just don't have. I think Bucko would be good, I think he is understated as it is. I would argue he's up there with the best in the league, but problem is I don't see any centre-backs, apart from perhaps Upson and Morrison that I think would be good in the Premier League. In fact, Liam Moore at Fester - he will step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 It's a big, big jump from the strikers at this level to the next - defensive investment would be our main priority. We'd need a few top draw players coming in though, fortunately we haven't bogged ourselves down with Championship standard players on long contracts though - mention no names Perhaps one benefit of loans, we are not bogged down with a big squad we totally need to overhaul when we get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 In most positions I think we have a squad capable of doing better than 3 teams in the perm Obviously we need more but it would be buying starters as the players we have are suitable cover in the main. Think if we get promoted Chelsea could loan us Bamford and Wisdom could stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randombc Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Grant, Wisdom, Bryson, Hughes and Bamford would probably be good enough for the premiership with Buxton, Hendrick, Martin, Russell and Dawkins all decent squad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 If/when we go up there are more decisions to be made than just Bucko - IMO we should keep him. Wisdom, Bamford, Whitbread, Thorne all potentially go back to their clubs; decisions have to be made about Barks and Coutts and whether they are fit and/or good enough bearing in mind that SM won't have seen them play; of the younger ones, will Jeff, after a patchy season, want to stay; will Will want to stay another season; does Mason see his career blocked or opening up; are Jamie and Eustace, Chris Martin and Conor good enough to keep? And then there's all the fringe players - OB, Bailey, Freeman, Morch etc. I might well be remembering wrong but when we went up with Jim Smith, Paul McGrath and Asa were the two major changes. Basically he kept the same team around him, maintained the team spirit, allowed players to prove themselves, or not, in the PL. Robbie van de Laan didn't really work but Gary Rowatt did. The significant changes came in seasons two and three. Money will be important but so is continuity, team spirit and momentum - better perhaps to keep most of the current squad, including one or two loanees, but add some well paid/expensive experience in two, maybe three, key positions and then see where it takes us. Which is why I would keep Jake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Proper laughing at Option 4... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbydave96 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Seriously, I would hope we would release him and let him choose his own club - he deserves that much at least. He would probably end up as club captain at Burton Albion/ or even Shef Utd. That's only if we go up thou, otherwise sign him up again. So Buxton who is a very good champ defender would go to league 1/2 if we go up!? No way should we sell him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmini Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Sir Jake should be commanding Englands defence at the World Cup.This man sweats blood for Derby and he would probably do even more for England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 objectives achieved *establish forum support for the Buckenator Objectives part achieved * generate discussion about the rest of the squad Didn't want to do a poll listing all players - Bucko has created discussion so thought it would be a good one to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsCityRam Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I remember him getting ripped to shreds by Paul Hayes & Gary Hooper away at Scunny Utd when he'd only been with us 6 or so months. Thought then he was at least 2 divisions above his natural level. Since then though he's improved massively. He will always struggle against strikers with real good movement & pace but his awareness & positioning are now very good meaning he doesn't get exposed as much as he used to. Aerially excellent for a guy his size & brave to boot. But most of all, love his attitude. Every happy & successful squad needs a player like Jake. If we were to go up, I'd definitely want him to stay. Don't think he'd be a guaranteed starter but he'd be a useful asset, especially with some real pace alongside him. It'll be a sad day for Derby when he does eventually leave. And I never thought I'd be saying that after trudging away from Glanford Park that day in 2009... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Which Premier League we talking about? Arsenal Man City Liverpool Chelsea United Everton etc Or... Norwich Palace Sunderland Villa Stoke Forest/Leicester/Burnley/Reading/QPR etc At our best with a few smart additions we'll have a fair chance. Getting all clumsy and scrappy like we do sometimes and it's a thin chance. We'll get more time to play our game in the PL but if we aren't at our very best for the games in bottom league then we can expect to be back at St Andrews soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Buxton's only weakness is turning speed. But not now he's mastered the Maradona turn surely. Now he's the complete package. Bet he's chomping at the bit to have another go at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Get rid...he's gonna be so knackered from all those games in Brazil he'll be a liability! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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