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Up until their goal I actually thought we played really well from the back. We managed to turn and play forward and beat their press however the goal we conceded just ruined our game plan. We still haven’t overturned going a goal down in 28 games 

I watched Chelsea Vs Villa earlier on, Chelsea play the exact same, They were caught out once trying to hold onto the ball and Villa caught Saul in possesion, Any road, What Chelsea can do that we can't is, Once the back 4 have the ball they're looking to their midfield to exploit space in the middle of the park, Which they do very well, It can be a 10 yard pass or a 20 yard pass, It in most cases finds their man, We unfortunately keep playing the ball across the back 4 which leaves the opposition 2 things, Our back 4 get closed down, And midfield are picked up, Now in no way am I putting us in the same mould as Chelsea, Just as Brum are no Villa, Villa had as many if not more chances than Chelsea, But Chelsea have Lukaku, A target man with pace and strength, Villa had 2 leightweight forwards in Ings and Wakins...Goals wins you games, And it's goals that will be our down fall imo.
If WR wants to keep a passing game then he has to work out or instill movement, Control and pass around the opposition, And not taking too many passes backwards and side ways, We hear about togetherness in the camp, They had better bring this togetherness onto the pitch, With what we have it's going to be a tough ask.

I watched Chelsea Vs Villa earlier on, Chelsea play the exact same, They were caught out once trying to hold onto the ball and Villa caught Saul in possesion, Any road, What Chelsea can do that we can't is, Once the back 4 have the ball they're looking to their midfield to exploit space in the middle of the park, Which they do very well, It can be a 10 yard pass or a 20 yard pass, It in most cases finds their man, We unfortunately keep playing the ball across the back 4 which leaves the opposition 2 things, Our back 4 get closed down, And midfield are picked up, Now in no way am I putting us in the same mould as Chelsea, Just as Brum are no Villa, Villa had as many if not more chances than Chelsea, But Chelsea have Lukaku, A target man with pace and strength, Villa had 2 leightweight forwards in Ings and Wakins...Goals wins you games, And it's goals that will be our down fall imo.
If WR wants to keep a passing game then he has to work out or instill movement, Control and pass around the opposition, And not taking too many passes backwards and side ways, We hear about togetherness in the camp, They had better bring this togetherness onto the pitch, With what we have it's going to be a tough ask.

Only spent a couple of mins on it, but there must be loads more if I really wanted to waste my time!
Case closed M’lud!

Birmingham didn't have a plan to start with though, we were controlling the ball and tempo of the game in the first 20 minutes as they were giving us far too much space and time to work the ball from the back. 
When Bowyer got wise to that then we had no answer and as soon as they started putting us under pressure we gifted them the first goal as we weren't used to having to work the ball from the back with their players harrying us. 
Our inability to get anything from the game was nothing to do with the ref or linos let's be honest Shinnie was quite rightly booked for wrestling their player and one of their players was booked for doing exactly the same kind of thing in the second half.
The distinct difference was our players lack of discipline compared to theirs which needs to be coached out very quickly, Lawrence and Morrison the notable offenders for seeking retribution after they thought that they had been both fouled. 

West Ham's celebrity fans are all absolutely insufferable. Danny Dyer, Russell Brand, Ray Winstone, James Cordon, and loads of daft yanks who saw Green Street one time.
There's some relatively famous porn star/producer that is a big Derby fan, but I'm not searching his name until I leave work.

Yeah sorry about the edit. Meant to say then got distracted and pressed post and went back when I realised i’d missed it.

There was a patern of play in the 1st half that gave me great heart, The one touch football that cut Brum to pieces on the 18 yard line and left Lawrence with an opportunity which he passed to their keeper.
It shows it can be done if players move forward, Unfortunately having a six shooter on your hip then blowing your foot off is no help when gifting goals away, The vast majority who've posted on the game thread have said "it's our tactics that's costing us" I agree, Unfortunately I heard this Morning WR is set to carry on with this course of action.
Being an Ex pro footballer doesn't make you right, It's what you believe is right, Being a supporter and watching for ourselves what "we think" is wrong only fuels honest confusion with it all.
WBA/Stoke next week, If you thing Birmingham were physical wait for these 2, I see troubled waters ahead on the pitch, And there's not alot of steering available.
We're not going to make lighweights into heavy weights.

You’re talking craps. 

Sorry that’s supposed to say knee jerk reaction from Ibby. 

With a team like ours with no cutting edge you can’t gift teams goals. Also, if we want to play wing backs we need 3 centre halves…..

No way we're they "miles better than us". Now when we play West Brom next week that comment may be appropriate (but hopefully not). 

No!, A good goalkeeper will do his job, A bad one will cost you, Neither a Roos fan or a Lawrence fan, One who thinks he's good and the other who doesn't think.
Take the Captaincy off Lawrence, Give it to Davis, Were paying wages for a keeper that's better imo than KR but has been frozen out, It's very early days, But the picture I saw last night was a team not equiped for a physical fight in this division, Our only hope is that there are 3 teams who don't get as many points as us after 46 games.

Ha ha ha, that's good!

Really, agreed they didn't have kamikaze defensive play, but I can't recall one good chance created by their team.

Really? I didn't think they were. ?
If we'd had one of their strikers... 

? We had as many shots on target as they did. We had more of the possession and they committed 19 fouls to our 9 according to the Beeb. So we are trying but again the few chances we had weren't taken. I reckon it would have stayed 0-0 but for our two errors. Lack of real goal threat made it difficult last season and is more evident this. ?

We all know Rooney has had it difficult but watching last nights game i think we'd be in a better position if we had lee bowyer. He's worked magic with two clubs that were a complete mess. The football might not be pretty but he has got results at charlton & now at birmingham. Fair play to him

haven’t read the rest of the thread yet but here’s my ten penneth for what it’s worth ....although ive criticised Rooney in the past there was evidence of some really good play and rotation of position and some lovely neat interchanges
we desperately lack a striker and I don’t think Stretton is yet the answer and Baldock makes good runs but in the first half showed why he’s not exactly prolific when he passed rather than shoot when in the box 
saying all that we lost to a Brum team who look a solid championship side who are defensively solid with good championship defenders 
now the negative part regarding Rooney ..... I just don’t get it how Lawrence is captain and tonight I thought he was very poor and was to blame for the second goal but it’s his attitude that riles me ...he is not captain material and to be honest think we are better off getting a few quid for him and using it when we are permitted to get a couple of players in ....tonight I thought Lawrence was petulant and lucky not to get another yellow card .
for the life of me I cannot understand the decision to give him the armband also in our current predicament I’d play him as a striker or not at all ...just my thoughts 

I much prefer us without him in the club.

Can't say I'd be disappointed if he was out for 3 games.
I much prefer us without him in the team.

I still can't see any of the inherent qualities of a captain being present within Lawrence, I'm assuming that the rationale behind this decision was that Lawrence might start to mature and respond given the newfound responsibility of being the captain but I don't think he has any idea of the components needed to be a captain - leading by example, being a role model being two of them. 

Don't ignore it, debate it. It's a forum ?

It's the whole team ethic driven by Rooney and co, Small tidy players who Rooney hopes to be able to play through, Against a team full of very physical players, Same as the red dogs.
If you don't/can't mix it with the opposition then we're easy pickings for teams...Brum aint that good imo, We're just poor and will be until there's a change in tactics.