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We’ll I have no problem hitching my wagon to Wayne Rooney’s horse.
What a leader.

We’ll I have no problem hitching my wagon to Wayne Rooney’s horse.
What a leader.

We’ll I have no problem hitching my wagon to Wayne Rooney’s horse.
What a leader.

If the stadium money is spent and we still owe £60mil then the figures definitely do not add up.

A few years of that is correct but it hasn't been. Even if Mel was putting in £15 million a year of his own money over the last 5 years that's still only £75M. He's says been putting his own money in over the COVID but the rest of the time he hasn't. 
It's easy to say we're paying this and paying that but there has also been income over the last 5 years including the £80 for the stadium.
He's says he's invested, not spent, £200M of his own money into the club. What he has done is leveraged loans against the club, training ground and stadium like the Glaziers did at Man UTD. 
I believe we have the debt because the loans are being serviced by the club, not him, so we owe the money to his creditors.

If the stadium money is spent and we still owe £60mil then the figures definitely do not add up.

I haven't looked at the accounts as a) I am not an accountant and b) I really cannot be bothered. To a common layman I find that the figures being banded around doesn't seem to add up. If the wage bill is £40 million per annum, as widely stated, then over the tenure of Mel this adds up to about £160m. Okay managers have come and gone and, also with Keogh etc.. but would that add up to another £40m. The day to day running Mel says is between £1.3m to £1.5 m per week. If you take the higher figure then that annual amount is around £78m. So we have to pay ongoing running costs but we have had income through season tickets;sponsership deals and a pitiful amount of transfer fees. Yes we have bought players in but their fees were either 'free' or,except for Bielik, on the low side. Also if £80 million was paid for the stadium, where is it? Is there going to be a twist where uncle Mel has the last laugh by,once a buyer purchases the club, he gives us the stadium for nothing? Very very confused. Hopefully someone could enlighten me as I am an old git now!?

This has been discussed on various threads but I think it’s status is key. 
 
Valued at £80+million. If Morris had paid the club the money then we would actually be in profit. 
So why are we circa £60m in the hole. 
 
How have we lost this asset when it hasn’t been paid for?
I’ve read stuff on other threads but I’m not clear on where we sit with it.
 

Bit of Elgar blaring out from the speakers before the game. Guaranteed to gird any Englishman loins for the fight to come.

Take him.
I took my 5 year old grandson to the Stoke game, his first one. All he keeps going on about is the hand dryer in the toilets so I wouldn't  worry to much about traumatizing the lad as he probably won't understand.
I've kept his ticket and I'll give it to him one day perhaps on his 18th or something sentimental like that. 

Take him.
I took my 5 year old grandson to the Stoke game, his first one. All he keeps going on about is the hand dryer in the toilets so I wouldn't  worry to much about traumatizing the lad as he probably won't understand.
I've kept his ticket and I'll give it to him one day perhaps on his 18th or something sentimental like that. 

Take him.
I took my 5 year old grandson to the Stoke game, his first one. All he keeps going on about is the hand dryer in the toilets so I wouldn't  worry to much about traumatizing the lad as he probably won't understand.
I've kept his ticket and I'll give it to him one day perhaps on his 18th or something sentimental like that. 

Take him.
I took my 5 year old grandson to the Stoke game, his first one. All he keeps going on about is the hand dryer in the toilets so I wouldn't  worry to much about traumatizing the lad as he probably won't understand.
I've kept his ticket and I'll give it to him one day perhaps on his 18th or something sentimental like that. 

Take him.
I took my 5 year old grandson to the Stoke game, his first one. All he keeps going on about is the hand dryer in the toilets so I wouldn't  worry to much about traumatizing the lad as he probably won't understand.
I've kept his ticket and I'll give it to him one day perhaps on his 18th or something sentimental like that. 

Take him.
I took my 5 year old grandson to the Stoke game, his first one. All he keeps going on about is the hand dryer in the toilets so I wouldn't  worry to much about traumatizing the lad as he probably won't understand.
I've kept his ticket and I'll give it to him one day perhaps on his 18th or something sentimental like that. 

I started going to watch Derby properly in 1984 when we had just been relegated to the old Division 3 (League One in modern parlance)
In the light of current events,  I wanted to start a thread to offer some positivity around the very high likelihood of our relegation this season
I'm sure there is a high percentage of posters who weren't even born back then and have no idea what it was like to playing in tier 3, but I'm here to tell you that it was a fantastic experience
Derby fans came together like never before and relished the status of being a big fish in a small pond, the fallen giants - every other  team's cup final, the one they wanted to beat
Atmosphere on the Popside was better than ever, away games were brilliant adventures to new places 
Players grew in confidence week after week as the team started to coalesce, with the realisation that we had the beating of anyone in the division if we stuck together
Because at the end of the day - it doesn't actually matter what league you are in, you're watching a football game, and in that moment - the passion is just the same
So come on old timers - share your memories of those years 84-86 in Division 3 for the nippers
 

This is the most important thing we can do. Create some income to limit redundancies and player sales, make us attractive to purchasers and support the team.
If you haven't got a season ticket, buy a match ticket. 
If you have a got a season ticket , encourage a mate to come or if you can afford it, gift a ticket to a mate. 
Encourage friends and family to come. 
If you can afford it and know someone who can't afford to go, gift them a ticket for this game.
If you live too far away and can afford it, gift a mate or family member from home,
If you are thinking of coming and have kids, bring them along.
Do whatever we can to fill the ground v Reading.
We've been let down but now it's our time, our time to stand up and save our club.
   

Agents will be in the players ears right now. 
"You'll get a better deal if you are playing for a championship club than if you wait a year to help a League 1 club out. Don't forget it's you're career"
"There's no loyalty in football" - I particularly hate this one as an argument because between clubs and players this is true but loyalty is fundamentally the bedrock of the supporters. 
This club is now a completely different thing to what it was on Friday. We're a wounded beast who could either be finished off by the circling Hyenas or we could just about have enough life left in us to find somewhere to hide until the bleeding stops and slowly heal.
I'm not sure making a huge effort to stay in this league is the right thing to do if it means sacking ordinary employees to fund the playing staff. We should pay wages that our club can sustain while keeping as many jobs as possible. If this means licking our wounds in league 1 while things stabilise then so be it. We are supporters we can play the long game.
 
 
 

Agents will be in the players ears right now. 
"You'll get a better deal if you are playing for a championship club than if you wait a year to help a League 1 club out. Don't forget it's you're career"
"There's no loyalty in football" - I particularly hate this one as an argument because between clubs and players this is true but loyalty is fundamentally the bedrock of the supporters. 
This club is now a completely different thing to what it was on Friday. We're a wounded beast who could either be finished off by the circling Hyenas or we could just about have enough life left in us to find somewhere to hide until the bleeding stops and slowly heal.
I'm not sure making a huge effort to stay in this league is the right thing to do if it means sacking ordinary employees to fund the playing staff. We should pay wages that our club can sustain while keeping as many jobs as possible. If this means licking our wounds in league 1 while things stabilise then so be it. We are supporters we can play the long game.
 
 
 

Agents will be in the players ears right now. 
"You'll get a better deal if you are playing for a championship club than if you wait a year to help a League 1 club out. Don't forget it's you're career"
"There's no loyalty in football" - I particularly hate this one as an argument because between clubs and players this is true but loyalty is fundamentally the bedrock of the supporters. 
This club is now a completely different thing to what it was on Friday. We're a wounded beast who could either be finished off by the circling Hyenas or we could just about have enough life left in us to find somewhere to hide until the bleeding stops and slowly heal.
I'm not sure making a huge effort to stay in this league is the right thing to do if it means sacking ordinary employees to fund the playing staff. We should pay wages that our club can sustain while keeping as many jobs as possible. If this means licking our wounds in league 1 while things stabilise then so be it. We are supporters we can play the long game.
 
 
 

On the contrary, I want to hear what he has to say. Then I can make my own mind up about it before it is twisted, misinterpreted,  slanted either way to suit people's agendas before posting on here.

If it's a minus 12 we have a fighting chance. We already have 10 points on the board so that would take us back to a minus 2 and only 9 points from safety (with a superior goal difference). 
Bielik and CZR to come back as well in the next few months.
 

Great game today. From my seat behind the goal in the North Stand I was treated to two goals.
The flight of Bird’s strike left the keeper rooted to the spot and in an effort to redeem himself he flew out and was then completely bamboozled by Curtis’s nod on.
From a physiological point of view a I think we can survive 12 but 21 is totally different.
12 gives us something to fight for and the players will dig in but if it’s 21 they’ll start thinking if it’s worth putting their bodies on the line for a lost cause.
I wonder how many is too much psychological speaking. 
 
 

Great game today. From my seat behind the goal in the North Stand I was treated to two goals.
The flight of Bird’s strike left the keeper rooted to the spot and in an effort to redeem himself he flew out and was then completely bamboozled by Curtis’s nod on.
From a physiological point of view a I think we can survive 12 but 21 is totally different.
12 gives us something to fight for and the players will dig in but if it’s 21 they’ll start thinking if it’s worth putting their bodies on the line for a lost cause.
I wonder how many is too much psychological speaking. 
 
 

Sheffield Wednesday were crap anyway. Contrast that with Wigan who put in a valiant effort when they were deducted points. They lost just 1 in 15 games at the end of the season. They were so close, a win on the final day would have done it.
We already know we're going to be deducted 12 and we weren't poo today. Just don't look at the table. It's 45 to survive.