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Eaton Ram's reference to Rams Trust has made me wonder whether we could get something out of the EFL through a letter along the lines of the one sent to the Club recently signed by Rams Trust, Punjabi Rams, Ryan Hills etc.  The letter could ask the EFL:
How their approach meets with their stated aim of protecting clubs, particularly in respect of Derby.  Can they give any examples of where they have acted in good faith towards the club? What reassurances they can offer to DCFC staff whose jobs are under threat through the continued uncertainty Can they explain why an accounting technicality should lead to people losing their livelihoods, even when those people have had nothing to do with accounting procedures etc Is it their intention to continually appeal against any decision that does not go their way?  If so, can the explain the moral justification for such an approach? Can they also provide justification for deciding to reject an accounting practice that they had previously accepted when signing off the accounts?  Do they feel any responsibility for having made what they now seem to consider an error, and if so what redress are they making as a result? what, if any responsibility, do they feel towards the fans of DCFC, and do they understand the effect their actions are having on at least some of them? They have been reported to be keen to see Derby relegated.  Can they explain to the Derby fanbase whether this is in fact the case, and if so, their justification for acting in such a way? Etc Etc I think a letter coming from specific groups rather than an individual stands a better chance of getting a response.  That response is very likely to be that it's all Derby's fault, and that people will lose their jobs etc due to the clubs actions etc, they have to be fair to the other clubs blah blah.  However, it may be worth a try?

Eaton Ram's reference to Rams Trust has made me wonder whether we could get something out of the EFL through a letter along the lines of the one sent to the Club recently signed by Rams Trust, Punjabi Rams, Ryan Hills etc.  The letter could ask the EFL:
How their approach meets with their stated aim of protecting clubs, particularly in respect of Derby.  Can they give any examples of where they have acted in good faith towards the club? What reassurances they can offer to DCFC staff whose jobs are under threat through the continued uncertainty Can they explain why an accounting technicality should lead to people losing their livelihoods, even when those people have had nothing to do with accounting procedures etc Is it their intention to continually appeal against any decision that does not go their way?  If so, can the explain the moral justification for such an approach? Can they also provide justification for deciding to reject an accounting practice that they had previously accepted when signing off the accounts?  Do they feel any responsibility for having made what they now seem to consider an error, and if so what redress are they making as a result? what, if any responsibility, do they feel towards the fans of DCFC, and do they understand the effect their actions are having on at least some of them? They have been reported to be keen to see Derby relegated.  Can they explain to the Derby fanbase whether this is in fact the case, and if so, their justification for acting in such a way? Etc Etc I think a letter coming from specific groups rather than an individual stands a better chance of getting a response.  That response is very likely to be that it's all Derby's fault, and that people will lose their jobs etc due to the clubs actions etc, they have to be fair to the other clubs blah blah.  However, it may be worth a try?

Eaton Ram's reference to Rams Trust has made me wonder whether we could get something out of the EFL through a letter along the lines of the one sent to the Club recently signed by Rams Trust, Punjabi Rams, Ryan Hills etc.  The letter could ask the EFL:
How their approach meets with their stated aim of protecting clubs, particularly in respect of Derby.  Can they give any examples of where they have acted in good faith towards the club? What reassurances they can offer to DCFC staff whose jobs are under threat through the continued uncertainty Can they explain why an accounting technicality should lead to people losing their livelihoods, even when those people have had nothing to do with accounting procedures etc Is it their intention to continually appeal against any decision that does not go their way?  If so, can the explain the moral justification for such an approach? Can they also provide justification for deciding to reject an accounting practice that they had previously accepted when signing off the accounts?  Do they feel any responsibility for having made what they now seem to consider an error, and if so what redress are they making as a result? what, if any responsibility, do they feel towards the fans of DCFC, and do they understand the effect their actions are having on at least some of them? They have been reported to be keen to see Derby relegated.  Can they explain to the Derby fanbase whether this is in fact the case, and if so, their justification for acting in such a way? Etc Etc I think a letter coming from specific groups rather than an individual stands a better chance of getting a response.  That response is very likely to be that it's all Derby's fault, and that people will lose their jobs etc due to the clubs actions etc, they have to be fair to the other clubs blah blah.  However, it may be worth a try?

I don't think I've seen our fanbase so panicky since we last had to defend a corner......
May be it's right to be panicky.  I'm always struck, though, by how many people immediately leap to us being doomed to all sorts of terrible things - administration, points deductions in more than one season, etc etc. I do wonder what people were expecting.  We were referred to the DC solely for a sanction to be applied.  Given the amortisation issue, we were bound to have to refile the accounts.  However, from what little I understand of these things, it seems far from certain that we're going to breach the FFP limits, and even if we did a retrospective sanction is probably unworkable. As for the fine, I bet Mel & co can't believe their luck - it's about as derisory (to the EFL) as we could have hoped for.
Speaking of Mel, I see many feel that he is largely responsible for where we are.  Perhaps he is. He's made many mistakes over the last seven years.  Funnily enough, I've made some mistakes too during that time, and its just possible that one or two other posters have as well.  I didn't, though, make the cardinal error of spending £200m of my own money on something that, had it come off, would have lifted an entire city and thrilled many thousands of others, while also bringing untold economic benefits to Derbyshire. I've seen somewhere (possibly on here) someone saying that we're in a worse place now than under the Three Amigos.  Given that one regime led to criminal convictions for stealing from us while the other has spent £200m  of their own money(however unwisely), that seemed an interesting moral comparison to me.  As for our inevitable relegation, compare George Burley season 1 with George Burley season 2 - very little is a given in football.
I note that some are saying the takeover must be off.  I can't help feeling though that the possibility of getting sanctions from a DC that was set up solely to apply those sanctions may have occurred to those involved in the negotiations.  What would our prospective bidders have assumed that those sanctions might be - could it be that they would have to have their hair done by Mel's barber?  Or would they be forced to listen to repeat playings of Queen's greatest hits?  Or could they possibly have guessed that it might have something to do with our future league status, in which case we couldn't have criticised them for walking away, although there is no actual evidence that they have done so.
So should we panic now?  Or should we spend quality time with our other halves, speak to the kids, load the dishwasher, read a book, binge on a box set, order a take away, debate Anton's appointment as a Strictly judge, dig the garden, play golf, watch Derbyshire CCC (OK maybe not that one...).  We can't influence what's going to happen no matter what anguish we go through, and so I'm going to save my panicking for when an attack of ours breaks down, and Huddersfield's star player (or possibly Accrington Stanley's) spots that Marshy is nearer their goal line than ours...............
 

I don't think I've seen our fanbase so panicky since we last had to defend a corner......
May be it's right to be panicky.  I'm always struck, though, by how many people immediately leap to us being doomed to all sorts of terrible things - administration, points deductions in more than one season, etc etc. I do wonder what people were expecting.  We were referred to the DC solely for a sanction to be applied.  Given the amortisation issue, we were bound to have to refile the accounts.  However, from what little I understand of these things, it seems far from certain that we're going to breach the FFP limits, and even if we did a retrospective sanction is probably unworkable. As for the fine, I bet Mel & co can't believe their luck - it's about as derisory (to the EFL) as we could have hoped for.
Speaking of Mel, I see many feel that he is largely responsible for where we are.  Perhaps he is. He's made many mistakes over the last seven years.  Funnily enough, I've made some mistakes too during that time, and its just possible that one or two other posters have as well.  I didn't, though, make the cardinal error of spending £200m of my own money on something that, had it come off, would have lifted an entire city and thrilled many thousands of others, while also bringing untold economic benefits to Derbyshire. I've seen somewhere (possibly on here) someone saying that we're in a worse place now than under the Three Amigos.  Given that one regime led to criminal convictions for stealing from us while the other has spent £200m  of their own money(however unwisely), that seemed an interesting moral comparison to me.  As for our inevitable relegation, compare George Burley season 1 with George Burley season 2 - very little is a given in football.
I note that some are saying the takeover must be off.  I can't help feeling though that the possibility of getting sanctions from a DC that was set up solely to apply those sanctions may have occurred to those involved in the negotiations.  What would our prospective bidders have assumed that those sanctions might be - could it be that they would have to have their hair done by Mel's barber?  Or would they be forced to listen to repeat playings of Queen's greatest hits?  Or could they possibly have guessed that it might have something to do with our future league status, in which case we couldn't have criticised them for walking away, although there is no actual evidence that they have done so.
So should we panic now?  Or should we spend quality time with our other halves, speak to the kids, load the dishwasher, read a book, binge on a box set, order a take away, debate Anton's appointment as a Strictly judge, dig the garden, play golf, watch Derbyshire CCC (OK maybe not that one...).  We can't influence what's going to happen no matter what anguish we go through, and so I'm going to save my panicking for when an attack of ours breaks down, and Huddersfield's star player (or possibly Accrington Stanley's) spots that Marshy is nearer their goal line than ours...............
 

I don't think I've seen our fanbase so panicky since we last had to defend a corner......
May be it's right to be panicky.  I'm always struck, though, by how many people immediately leap to us being doomed to all sorts of terrible things - administration, points deductions in more than one season, etc etc. I do wonder what people were expecting.  We were referred to the DC solely for a sanction to be applied.  Given the amortisation issue, we were bound to have to refile the accounts.  However, from what little I understand of these things, it seems far from certain that we're going to breach the FFP limits, and even if we did a retrospective sanction is probably unworkable. As for the fine, I bet Mel & co can't believe their luck - it's about as derisory (to the EFL) as we could have hoped for.
Speaking of Mel, I see many feel that he is largely responsible for where we are.  Perhaps he is. He's made many mistakes over the last seven years.  Funnily enough, I've made some mistakes too during that time, and its just possible that one or two other posters have as well.  I didn't, though, make the cardinal error of spending £200m of my own money on something that, had it come off, would have lifted an entire city and thrilled many thousands of others, while also bringing untold economic benefits to Derbyshire. I've seen somewhere (possibly on here) someone saying that we're in a worse place now than under the Three Amigos.  Given that one regime led to criminal convictions for stealing from us while the other has spent £200m  of their own money(however unwisely), that seemed an interesting moral comparison to me.  As for our inevitable relegation, compare George Burley season 1 with George Burley season 2 - very little is a given in football.
I note that some are saying the takeover must be off.  I can't help feeling though that the possibility of getting sanctions from a DC that was set up solely to apply those sanctions may have occurred to those involved in the negotiations.  What would our prospective bidders have assumed that those sanctions might be - could it be that they would have to have their hair done by Mel's barber?  Or would they be forced to listen to repeat playings of Queen's greatest hits?  Or could they possibly have guessed that it might have something to do with our future league status, in which case we couldn't have criticised them for walking away, although there is no actual evidence that they have done so.
So should we panic now?  Or should we spend quality time with our other halves, speak to the kids, load the dishwasher, read a book, binge on a box set, order a take away, debate Anton's appointment as a Strictly judge, dig the garden, play golf, watch Derbyshire CCC (OK maybe not that one...).  We can't influence what's going to happen no matter what anguish we go through, and so I'm going to save my panicking for when an attack of ours breaks down, and Huddersfield's star player (or possibly Accrington Stanley's) spots that Marshy is nearer their goal line than ours...............
 

I don't think I've seen our fanbase so panicky since we last had to defend a corner......
May be it's right to be panicky.  I'm always struck, though, by how many people immediately leap to us being doomed to all sorts of terrible things - administration, points deductions in more than one season, etc etc. I do wonder what people were expecting.  We were referred to the DC solely for a sanction to be applied.  Given the amortisation issue, we were bound to have to refile the accounts.  However, from what little I understand of these things, it seems far from certain that we're going to breach the FFP limits, and even if we did a retrospective sanction is probably unworkable. As for the fine, I bet Mel & co can't believe their luck - it's about as derisory (to the EFL) as we could have hoped for.
Speaking of Mel, I see many feel that he is largely responsible for where we are.  Perhaps he is. He's made many mistakes over the last seven years.  Funnily enough, I've made some mistakes too during that time, and its just possible that one or two other posters have as well.  I didn't, though, make the cardinal error of spending £200m of my own money on something that, had it come off, would have lifted an entire city and thrilled many thousands of others, while also bringing untold economic benefits to Derbyshire. I've seen somewhere (possibly on here) someone saying that we're in a worse place now than under the Three Amigos.  Given that one regime led to criminal convictions for stealing from us while the other has spent £200m  of their own money(however unwisely), that seemed an interesting moral comparison to me.  As for our inevitable relegation, compare George Burley season 1 with George Burley season 2 - very little is a given in football.
I note that some are saying the takeover must be off.  I can't help feeling though that the possibility of getting sanctions from a DC that was set up solely to apply those sanctions may have occurred to those involved in the negotiations.  What would our prospective bidders have assumed that those sanctions might be - could it be that they would have to have their hair done by Mel's barber?  Or would they be forced to listen to repeat playings of Queen's greatest hits?  Or could they possibly have guessed that it might have something to do with our future league status, in which case we couldn't have criticised them for walking away, although there is no actual evidence that they have done so.
So should we panic now?  Or should we spend quality time with our other halves, speak to the kids, load the dishwasher, read a book, binge on a box set, order a take away, debate Anton's appointment as a Strictly judge, dig the garden, play golf, watch Derbyshire CCC (OK maybe not that one...).  We can't influence what's going to happen no matter what anguish we go through, and so I'm going to save my panicking for when an attack of ours breaks down, and Huddersfield's star player (or possibly Accrington Stanley's) spots that Marshy is nearer their goal line than ours...............
 

I don't think I've seen our fanbase so panicky since we last had to defend a corner......
May be it's right to be panicky.  I'm always struck, though, by how many people immediately leap to us being doomed to all sorts of terrible things - administration, points deductions in more than one season, etc etc. I do wonder what people were expecting.  We were referred to the DC solely for a sanction to be applied.  Given the amortisation issue, we were bound to have to refile the accounts.  However, from what little I understand of these things, it seems far from certain that we're going to breach the FFP limits, and even if we did a retrospective sanction is probably unworkable. As for the fine, I bet Mel & co can't believe their luck - it's about as derisory (to the EFL) as we could have hoped for.
Speaking of Mel, I see many feel that he is largely responsible for where we are.  Perhaps he is. He's made many mistakes over the last seven years.  Funnily enough, I've made some mistakes too during that time, and its just possible that one or two other posters have as well.  I didn't, though, make the cardinal error of spending £200m of my own money on something that, had it come off, would have lifted an entire city and thrilled many thousands of others, while also bringing untold economic benefits to Derbyshire. I've seen somewhere (possibly on here) someone saying that we're in a worse place now than under the Three Amigos.  Given that one regime led to criminal convictions for stealing from us while the other has spent £200m  of their own money(however unwisely), that seemed an interesting moral comparison to me.  As for our inevitable relegation, compare George Burley season 1 with George Burley season 2 - very little is a given in football.
I note that some are saying the takeover must be off.  I can't help feeling though that the possibility of getting sanctions from a DC that was set up solely to apply those sanctions may have occurred to those involved in the negotiations.  What would our prospective bidders have assumed that those sanctions might be - could it be that they would have to have their hair done by Mel's barber?  Or would they be forced to listen to repeat playings of Queen's greatest hits?  Or could they possibly have guessed that it might have something to do with our future league status, in which case we couldn't have criticised them for walking away, although there is no actual evidence that they have done so.
So should we panic now?  Or should we spend quality time with our other halves, speak to the kids, load the dishwasher, read a book, binge on a box set, order a take away, debate Anton's appointment as a Strictly judge, dig the garden, play golf, watch Derbyshire CCC (OK maybe not that one...).  We can't influence what's going to happen no matter what anguish we go through, and so I'm going to save my panicking for when an attack of ours breaks down, and Huddersfield's star player (or possibly Accrington Stanley's) spots that Marshy is nearer their goal line than ours...............
 

I don't think I've seen our fanbase so panicky since we last had to defend a corner......
May be it's right to be panicky.  I'm always struck, though, by how many people immediately leap to us being doomed to all sorts of terrible things - administration, points deductions in more than one season, etc etc. I do wonder what people were expecting.  We were referred to the DC solely for a sanction to be applied.  Given the amortisation issue, we were bound to have to refile the accounts.  However, from what little I understand of these things, it seems far from certain that we're going to breach the FFP limits, and even if we did a retrospective sanction is probably unworkable. As for the fine, I bet Mel & co can't believe their luck - it's about as derisory (to the EFL) as we could have hoped for.
Speaking of Mel, I see many feel that he is largely responsible for where we are.  Perhaps he is. He's made many mistakes over the last seven years.  Funnily enough, I've made some mistakes too during that time, and its just possible that one or two other posters have as well.  I didn't, though, make the cardinal error of spending £200m of my own money on something that, had it come off, would have lifted an entire city and thrilled many thousands of others, while also bringing untold economic benefits to Derbyshire. I've seen somewhere (possibly on here) someone saying that we're in a worse place now than under the Three Amigos.  Given that one regime led to criminal convictions for stealing from us while the other has spent £200m  of their own money(however unwisely), that seemed an interesting moral comparison to me.  As for our inevitable relegation, compare George Burley season 1 with George Burley season 2 - very little is a given in football.
I note that some are saying the takeover must be off.  I can't help feeling though that the possibility of getting sanctions from a DC that was set up solely to apply those sanctions may have occurred to those involved in the negotiations.  What would our prospective bidders have assumed that those sanctions might be - could it be that they would have to have their hair done by Mel's barber?  Or would they be forced to listen to repeat playings of Queen's greatest hits?  Or could they possibly have guessed that it might have something to do with our future league status, in which case we couldn't have criticised them for walking away, although there is no actual evidence that they have done so.
So should we panic now?  Or should we spend quality time with our other halves, speak to the kids, load the dishwasher, read a book, binge on a box set, order a take away, debate Anton's appointment as a Strictly judge, dig the garden, play golf, watch Derbyshire CCC (OK maybe not that one...).  We can't influence what's going to happen no matter what anguish we go through, and so I'm going to save my panicking for when an attack of ours breaks down, and Huddersfield's star player (or possibly Accrington Stanley's) spots that Marshy is nearer their goal line than ours...............
 

I don't think I've seen our fanbase so panicky since we last had to defend a corner......
May be it's right to be panicky.  I'm always struck, though, by how many people immediately leap to us being doomed to all sorts of terrible things - administration, points deductions in more than one season, etc etc. I do wonder what people were expecting.  We were referred to the DC solely for a sanction to be applied.  Given the amortisation issue, we were bound to have to refile the accounts.  However, from what little I understand of these things, it seems far from certain that we're going to breach the FFP limits, and even if we did a retrospective sanction is probably unworkable. As for the fine, I bet Mel & co can't believe their luck - it's about as derisory (to the EFL) as we could have hoped for.
Speaking of Mel, I see many feel that he is largely responsible for where we are.  Perhaps he is. He's made many mistakes over the last seven years.  Funnily enough, I've made some mistakes too during that time, and its just possible that one or two other posters have as well.  I didn't, though, make the cardinal error of spending £200m of my own money on something that, had it come off, would have lifted an entire city and thrilled many thousands of others, while also bringing untold economic benefits to Derbyshire. I've seen somewhere (possibly on here) someone saying that we're in a worse place now than under the Three Amigos.  Given that one regime led to criminal convictions for stealing from us while the other has spent £200m  of their own money(however unwisely), that seemed an interesting moral comparison to me.  As for our inevitable relegation, compare George Burley season 1 with George Burley season 2 - very little is a given in football.
I note that some are saying the takeover must be off.  I can't help feeling though that the possibility of getting sanctions from a DC that was set up solely to apply those sanctions may have occurred to those involved in the negotiations.  What would our prospective bidders have assumed that those sanctions might be - could it be that they would have to have their hair done by Mel's barber?  Or would they be forced to listen to repeat playings of Queen's greatest hits?  Or could they possibly have guessed that it might have something to do with our future league status, in which case we couldn't have criticised them for walking away, although there is no actual evidence that they have done so.
So should we panic now?  Or should we spend quality time with our other halves, speak to the kids, load the dishwasher, read a book, binge on a box set, order a take away, debate Anton's appointment as a Strictly judge, dig the garden, play golf, watch Derbyshire CCC (OK maybe not that one...).  We can't influence what's going to happen no matter what anguish we go through, and so I'm going to save my panicking for when an attack of ours breaks down, and Huddersfield's star player (or possibly Accrington Stanley's) spots that Marshy is nearer their goal line than ours...............
 

I don't think I've seen our fanbase so panicky since we last had to defend a corner......
May be it's right to be panicky.  I'm always struck, though, by how many people immediately leap to us being doomed to all sorts of terrible things - administration, points deductions in more than one season, etc etc. I do wonder what people were expecting.  We were referred to the DC solely for a sanction to be applied.  Given the amortisation issue, we were bound to have to refile the accounts.  However, from what little I understand of these things, it seems far from certain that we're going to breach the FFP limits, and even if we did a retrospective sanction is probably unworkable. As for the fine, I bet Mel & co can't believe their luck - it's about as derisory (to the EFL) as we could have hoped for.
Speaking of Mel, I see many feel that he is largely responsible for where we are.  Perhaps he is. He's made many mistakes over the last seven years.  Funnily enough, I've made some mistakes too during that time, and its just possible that one or two other posters have as well.  I didn't, though, make the cardinal error of spending £200m of my own money on something that, had it come off, would have lifted an entire city and thrilled many thousands of others, while also bringing untold economic benefits to Derbyshire. I've seen somewhere (possibly on here) someone saying that we're in a worse place now than under the Three Amigos.  Given that one regime led to criminal convictions for stealing from us while the other has spent £200m  of their own money(however unwisely), that seemed an interesting moral comparison to me.  As for our inevitable relegation, compare George Burley season 1 with George Burley season 2 - very little is a given in football.
I note that some are saying the takeover must be off.  I can't help feeling though that the possibility of getting sanctions from a DC that was set up solely to apply those sanctions may have occurred to those involved in the negotiations.  What would our prospective bidders have assumed that those sanctions might be - could it be that they would have to have their hair done by Mel's barber?  Or would they be forced to listen to repeat playings of Queen's greatest hits?  Or could they possibly have guessed that it might have something to do with our future league status, in which case we couldn't have criticised them for walking away, although there is no actual evidence that they have done so.
So should we panic now?  Or should we spend quality time with our other halves, speak to the kids, load the dishwasher, read a book, binge on a box set, order a take away, debate Anton's appointment as a Strictly judge, dig the garden, play golf, watch Derbyshire CCC (OK maybe not that one...).  We can't influence what's going to happen no matter what anguish we go through, and so I'm going to save my panicking for when an attack of ours breaks down, and Huddersfield's star player (or possibly Accrington Stanley's) spots that Marshy is nearer their goal line than ours...............
 

I don't think I've seen our fanbase so panicky since we last had to defend a corner......
May be it's right to be panicky.  I'm always struck, though, by how many people immediately leap to us being doomed to all sorts of terrible things - administration, points deductions in more than one season, etc etc. I do wonder what people were expecting.  We were referred to the DC solely for a sanction to be applied.  Given the amortisation issue, we were bound to have to refile the accounts.  However, from what little I understand of these things, it seems far from certain that we're going to breach the FFP limits, and even if we did a retrospective sanction is probably unworkable. As for the fine, I bet Mel & co can't believe their luck - it's about as derisory (to the EFL) as we could have hoped for.
Speaking of Mel, I see many feel that he is largely responsible for where we are.  Perhaps he is. He's made many mistakes over the last seven years.  Funnily enough, I've made some mistakes too during that time, and its just possible that one or two other posters have as well.  I didn't, though, make the cardinal error of spending £200m of my own money on something that, had it come off, would have lifted an entire city and thrilled many thousands of others, while also bringing untold economic benefits to Derbyshire. I've seen somewhere (possibly on here) someone saying that we're in a worse place now than under the Three Amigos.  Given that one regime led to criminal convictions for stealing from us while the other has spent £200m  of their own money(however unwisely), that seemed an interesting moral comparison to me.  As for our inevitable relegation, compare George Burley season 1 with George Burley season 2 - very little is a given in football.
I note that some are saying the takeover must be off.  I can't help feeling though that the possibility of getting sanctions from a DC that was set up solely to apply those sanctions may have occurred to those involved in the negotiations.  What would our prospective bidders have assumed that those sanctions might be - could it be that they would have to have their hair done by Mel's barber?  Or would they be forced to listen to repeat playings of Queen's greatest hits?  Or could they possibly have guessed that it might have something to do with our future league status, in which case we couldn't have criticised them for walking away, although there is no actual evidence that they have done so.
So should we panic now?  Or should we spend quality time with our other halves, speak to the kids, load the dishwasher, read a book, binge on a box set, order a take away, debate Anton's appointment as a Strictly judge, dig the garden, play golf, watch Derbyshire CCC (OK maybe not that one...).  We can't influence what's going to happen no matter what anguish we go through, and so I'm going to save my panicking for when an attack of ours breaks down, and Huddersfield's star player (or possibly Accrington Stanley's) spots that Marshy is nearer their goal line than ours...............
 

I didn't vote for Brexit either, but given that Switzerland isn't actually in the EU, are you sure that it is to blame here? 
For what it's worth, I like Archie and he was a great sight going forwards.  Unfortunately, he wasn't quite such a great sight when it came to defending, and I'm not sure he would ever have made it with us as a left back, given that Lee Buchanan and Fozzie are before him, and Will Grewal Pollard, Dylan Williams and Riley Moloney are (not far) behind him.   I've seen quoted somewhere that we'll get compensation, possibly around £250k, which wouldn't be bad for someone who may never have made our first team, and who at times couldn't get into the U23s either, Williams being preferred.
Anyway, all the best Archie.
 

I didn't vote for Brexit either, but given that Switzerland isn't actually in the EU, are you sure that it is to blame here? 
For what it's worth, I like Archie and he was a great sight going forwards.  Unfortunately, he wasn't quite such a great sight when it came to defending, and I'm not sure he would ever have made it with us as a left back, given that Lee Buchanan and Fozzie are before him, and Will Grewal Pollard, Dylan Williams and Riley Moloney are (not far) behind him.   I've seen quoted somewhere that we'll get compensation, possibly around £250k, which wouldn't be bad for someone who may never have made our first team, and who at times couldn't get into the U23s either, Williams being preferred.
Anyway, all the best Archie.
 

Players left/leaving due to being out of contract:
Carson - 0 minutes played last season Mitchell - 0 minutes played last season Idem - 0 minutes played last season Malone - 0 minutes played last season Jozefzoon - 0 minutes played last season
Players possibly staying, possibly leaving:
Ravas - 0 minutes played last season Wisdom - 3116 minutes played last season (75%) Davies - 973 minutes played last season (24%) Waghorn - 1889 minutes played last season (46%) Marriott - 201 minutes played last season (5%)
Loan players:
Clarke - 3687 minutes played last season (89%) Mengi - 668 minutes played last season (16%) Edmundson - 749 minutes played last season (18%) Baningime - 93 minutes played last season (2%) Roberts - 673 minutes played last season (16%) Gregory - 565 minutes played last season (14%)  
 
So far we have only lost 6 players from last season's squad, only one of them played any significant amount of football, and another is supposedly returning next season. It's also very likely that at least 4 of the 5 we're in negotiations with stay with us.
We will also make signings over the next couple of months. Stop panicking.

Under-23 squad players out of contract beyond summer of 2021 and leaving the club: Joe Bateman, Cameron Cresswell, Bradley Foster, Harry Halwax, Jahmal Hector-Ingram, Callum Minkley, Jayden Mitchell-Lawson, Josh Shonibare, George Sykes-Kenworthy, Ethan Wassall, Matthew Yates.
Some good young players available here. Thanks for your time at Derby County and I hope you get fixed up soon.???⚽️?
 
 

Exactly this for me ... yes this is what it’s all about. DCFC supporter since boyhood. Now a bloke pushing 60 and yes my head tells me we are in a mess, a shambles of a club & the big time is as far away as it’s ever been BUT to follow the Rams is in your blood and if there’s nothing to strive for, to dream to achieve then what is the point. To look forward to the days when you can introduce the mighty Rams to the grandkids and accompany them to the games, to see the excitement on their faces, this is what I look forward to. Yes, I may be a sentimental old fool but it’s the escapism from the stress & strains of everyday life that draws you to the dream. Is my heart ruling my head ABSOLUTELY .... but if the dreams & aspirations are nothing but fantasy and we accept that they are a million miles away then what is the point??

How very bizarre of a Derby fan to describe us receiving a points penalty as "Job done".

Are you sure? That sounds a bit positive for you. Why not the maximum 21?

Excellent win after that difficult game last week. 
Obviously influenced by the sending off, but I thought we used the extra man very intelligently and played some lovely attacking football.
That's been a great season for our young squad. ??⚽️?

Any chance you could go for a practice drive? - absolutely no reason for you to rush back….

Seeing as Mrs Lurker had decided to watch episodes 1 to 463 of Schitt's Creek tonight, I watched this, effectively for free on Bin Dippers FC's TV channel.  The final score of 3 - 0 reflected Liverpool's superiority, although on chances a score line of 4 - 2 would probably have been more accurate.   Kade Gordon showed himself to be a class act, but was helped by some lousy defending from us both for his goal and also the third one.  Our players thought the second goal was offside (or possibly handball) but unfortunately the ref didn't.  
We played 3-5-2.  Of the individual performances for us:
In goal, Alfie Roberts made several good saves, but his distribution was pretty dodgy.  This wasn't helped by us insisting on an extreme form of Cocu ball, passing it round in our 18 yard area regardless of the hordes of Liverpool players lying in wait.  In the back three Harrison Solomon was was class act and our best player overall.  Hugo Jinkinson was calmness personified, but this didn't stop him giving the ball away regularly.  In between them was Nelson Aideyan, who I see from GoC's post is an under 16.  He is certainly a big lad, so is going to be impressive when he stops growing.  To start off with he tended to kick the ball the way he was facing, but was better in the second half.  He was replaced by Kane Ryan, who was even taller.
Our two wing backs both did quite well.  Riley Moloney looks very accomplished, while Rhys Brailsford certainly showed some aggression, scything down one of the Liverpool players in a way that brought back happy memories of Bruce Rioch at his best.    In midfield, Seb Thompson was OK.  Cian Kelly started brightly but faded badly, reappearing only to miss a good chance in the second half.  Harry Hawkins was the most interesting.   The game passed him by for most of the time, but when he got on the ball he used it really well.  Presumably he is only 15(?) at most, so let's hope we can keep hold of him.
Up front, Bartol Cybulski was unfortunately slow in thought and action, while Malik Mothersile was greedy and missed a great chance when it was 1- 0.  We played better after he was hooked.  Jack Rogers came on and looked quite bright but lightweight.  Reece Davies also appeared briefly.
The coverage was done using only one camera with no replays, so it was a bit like watching the game standing in one spot throughout.  I realise that there are a number of good reasons why Rams TV can't show many games live, but it would be great if coverage could increase in some way.

Seeing as Mrs Lurker had decided to watch episodes 1 to 463 of Schitt's Creek tonight, I watched this, effectively for free on Bin Dippers FC's TV channel.  The final score of 3 - 0 reflected Liverpool's superiority, although on chances a score line of 4 - 2 would probably have been more accurate.   Kade Gordon showed himself to be a class act, but was helped by some lousy defending from us both for his goal and also the third one.  Our players thought the second goal was offside (or possibly handball) but unfortunately the ref didn't.  
We played 3-5-2.  Of the individual performances for us:
In goal, Alfie Roberts made several good saves, but his distribution was pretty dodgy.  This wasn't helped by us insisting on an extreme form of Cocu ball, passing it round in our 18 yard area regardless of the hordes of Liverpool players lying in wait.  In the back three Harrison Solomon was was class act and our best player overall.  Hugo Jinkinson was calmness personified, but this didn't stop him giving the ball away regularly.  In between them was Nelson Aideyan, who I see from GoC's post is an under 16.  He is certainly a big lad, so is going to be impressive when he stops growing.  To start off with he tended to kick the ball the way he was facing, but was better in the second half.  He was replaced by Kane Ryan, who was even taller.
Our two wing backs both did quite well.  Riley Moloney looks very accomplished, while Rhys Brailsford certainly showed some aggression, scything down one of the Liverpool players in a way that brought back happy memories of Bruce Rioch at his best.    In midfield, Seb Thompson was OK.  Cian Kelly started brightly but faded badly, reappearing only to miss a good chance in the second half.  Harry Hawkins was the most interesting.   The game passed him by for most of the time, but when he got on the ball he used it really well.  Presumably he is only 15(?) at most, so let's hope we can keep hold of him.
Up front, Bartol Cybulski was unfortunately slow in thought and action, while Malik Mothersile was greedy and missed a great chance when it was 1- 0.  We played better after he was hooked.  Jack Rogers came on and looked quite bright but lightweight.  Reece Davies also appeared briefly.
The coverage was done using only one camera with no replays, so it was a bit like watching the game standing in one spot throughout.  I realise that there are a number of good reasons why Rams TV can't show many games live, but it would be great if coverage could increase in some way.

Seeing as Mrs Lurker had decided to watch episodes 1 to 463 of Schitt's Creek tonight, I watched this, effectively for free on Bin Dippers FC's TV channel.  The final score of 3 - 0 reflected Liverpool's superiority, although on chances a score line of 4 - 2 would probably have been more accurate.   Kade Gordon showed himself to be a class act, but was helped by some lousy defending from us both for his goal and also the third one.  Our players thought the second goal was offside (or possibly handball) but unfortunately the ref didn't.  
We played 3-5-2.  Of the individual performances for us:
In goal, Alfie Roberts made several good saves, but his distribution was pretty dodgy.  This wasn't helped by us insisting on an extreme form of Cocu ball, passing it round in our 18 yard area regardless of the hordes of Liverpool players lying in wait.  In the back three Harrison Solomon was was class act and our best player overall.  Hugo Jinkinson was calmness personified, but this didn't stop him giving the ball away regularly.  In between them was Nelson Aideyan, who I see from GoC's post is an under 16.  He is certainly a big lad, so is going to be impressive when he stops growing.  To start off with he tended to kick the ball the way he was facing, but was better in the second half.  He was replaced by Kane Ryan, who was even taller.
Our two wing backs both did quite well.  Riley Moloney looks very accomplished, while Rhys Brailsford certainly showed some aggression, scything down one of the Liverpool players in a way that brought back happy memories of Bruce Rioch at his best.    In midfield, Seb Thompson was OK.  Cian Kelly started brightly but faded badly, reappearing only to miss a good chance in the second half.  Harry Hawkins was the most interesting.   The game passed him by for most of the time, but when he got on the ball he used it really well.  Presumably he is only 15(?) at most, so let's hope we can keep hold of him.
Up front, Bartol Cybulski was unfortunately slow in thought and action, while Malik Mothersile was greedy and missed a great chance when it was 1- 0.  We played better after he was hooked.  Jack Rogers came on and looked quite bright but lightweight.  Reece Davies also appeared briefly.
The coverage was done using only one camera with no replays, so it was a bit like watching the game standing in one spot throughout.  I realise that there are a number of good reasons why Rams TV can't show many games live, but it would be great if coverage could increase in some way.

Wow...... I've been a DCFC fan for over 50 years, and I've never known till now that I'm obliged to hold people to account if they are failing in their jobs.  I do apologies for this oversight......