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I am moving to Bury just to vote for that Tory!

Burys mp ?????? Stating how useless the EFL are 

Bury MP ramming the point home. Well said my friend. Firmly said EFL found wanting in case of Bury and looking like the same is happening…

If one outcome of our current plight is that the EFL have inadvertently sped up the process by which they get reformed and regulated then that will at least provide me with a bit of a silver lining.

Extract from Parliament running order:
14:16:19
Chris Philp MP, The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (Croydon South, Conservative)
14:13:41
Mrs Pauline Latham MP (Mid Derbyshire, Conservative)
14:09:52
Chris Philp MP, The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (Croydon South, Conservative)
14:09:32
Urgent Question: To ask the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport if she will make a statement on matters of EFL (English Football League) governance surrounding the administration of Derby County FC.
Rt Hon MP Margaret Beckett & Pauline Latham both asked Chris Philip to review the EFL's handling of current issue, with two further mentions of pushing forward the Fan led review to have a Independent regulator for football (which hopefully will gee the EFL up)
Margret Becket finished by stating if the EFL let Derby fail to continue "they will never be forgiven"
Overall, a very impressive plea on behalf of DCFC for the EFL to help resolve the current impasse.

Margaret Beckett said fewest words but had the biggest impact! 

We need Ed Dawes to make him sweat. 

This has now been raised in the House of Commons. Huge progress. 

Three parties have made offers, any one of which would allow the club to exit administration with a substantial payment to creditors.
These offers need clarity, that the claim by Boro and the potential claim by Wycombe do not qualify as Football Creditors.
The football creditor rule is not defined in the EFL regulations, it is part of the Articles of Association of the Football League Limited, of which all clubs are minority shareholders (the golden share).
The football creditor rule is in Article 48, which clearly defines what constitutes a football creditor, copied below from Companies House.
The rule clearly states that it is to cover payments of "debts due". How possibly, can an unproven, unquantified claim such as Boro's be consider a debt due?
If the EFL is suggesting that any claim by a football club or employee, which is unproven, should be classified as a football creditor it would create mayhem. And, bona fide football creditors with debts due, and other preferential and unsecured creditors would lose out as a result.
The EFL can't have this both ways. If they choose to say Article 48 does not qualify Boro's claim as a football creditor the EFL are suggesting they might be sued by Boro.
However, if they choose to say that Article 48 should be interpreted (which is a wild stretch) in a way that Boro should be classed as a football creditor then it is almost certain that the EFL would be sued by the Administrators and the creditors including genuine football creditors, and HMRC for their easily quantified losses. 
The EFL also risk being sued under section 994 of the companies act for acting prejudicially against the interests of a minority shareholder of the football league ie. DCFC.
We need to apply pressure on the EFL to get off the fence, see that their actions alone are preventing the Administrators from getting a deal agreed. 
Article 48 says that Boro's claim cannot be a football creditor and the EFL must state that and stop this nonesense.
"48         FOOTBALL CREDITORS
48.1      Where a Member Club defaults in making any payment due to any of the following persons, 
the Member  Club ('Defaulting  Club')  shall be subject to such penalty  as the Board may decide 
and subject also to Article 48.2:
48.1.1        The League, The FA Premier League and the Football Association;
48.1.2        any of the Pension Schemes;
48.1.3        any Member Club and any Club of The FA Premier League;
48.1.4        any holding company  of The League and any subsidiary  company  of that holding 
company;
48.1.5        any sums due to any full-time employee or former full-time employee of the Member 
Club by  way  of arrears  of remuneration  up to the date on which that contract  of employment is 
terminated. This excludes for these purposes all and any claims for redundancy,   unfair   or  
wrongful   dismissal   or  other   claims   arising   out   of  the termination  of  the  contract  
or  in  respect  of  any  period  after  the  actual  date  of termination;
48.1.6        any  sums  due  to  the  Professional  Footballers  Association  in  repayment  of  
an interest  free loan together with such reasonable  administration and legal costs as have been 
approved by the Board;
48.1.7        The Football Foundation;
48.1.8        The Football Conference Limited trading as "the National League";
48.1.9        The Northern Premier League Limited;
48.1.1O      The Isthmian League Limited;
48.1.11      The Southern League Limited;
48.1.12      Any member club of the League or organisations listed in Articles 48.1.8 to 48.1.11 
inclusive;
48.1.13      Any County Football Association affiliated to The Football Association; and
48.1.14      Any Leagues  affiliated to The Football Association  and any clubs affiliated to any 
County Football Association recognised by The Football Association.
48.2      Subject to the provisions of Articles 48.3 and 48.4, the Board shall apply any sums 
standing to the  credit  of  the  Pool  Account  which  would  otherwise  be  payable  to  a  
Defaulting  Club,  in discharging  the  creditors  in Article  48.1.  As  between  the Football  
Creditors,  the  priority  for payment shall be in accordance with the order in which those 
Football Creditors are listed in Article 48.1.
48.3      If,  having  discharged  all Football  Creditors  in  any  preceding  class  of  Football 
 Creditor  (as
· required by Article 48.2) the sum then available is not suffident to discharge in full the 
Football Creditors listed in Articles 48.1.1, 48.1.2 or 48.1.4 the Board will decide the 
allocation.
48.4      If,  having  discharged  all Football  Creditors  in  any  preceding  class  of  Football 
 Creditor  (as required by Article 48.2) the sum then available is not sufficient to discharge in 
full the Football Creditors listed in Article 48.1.3, 48.1.5, 48.1.12, 48.1.13 or 48.1.14 the sum 
will be allocated pro rata amongst the creditors of the same class.
Note - Clubs are reminded that any assignment of future entitlements from the pool account are 
subject to Article 45 and this must be brought to the attention of the other party. Furthermore 
assignments must be in legal form and registered with the office. Assignments are given priority 
according to the date and time of registration."

Looks good, will Mr Ashley bring in an away kit in Blue and red

You have massive passionate fan base that will follow the lads all over country but first thing to get rid of embargo and admin to clear the debts as much as you can. 
2nd thing is try leave roony some spending in jan as he not really had anything to spend.
3. When club start selling them again please keep in mind that need to a bit cheaper so that we get a full pp again but also were the club can make a profit again.
4 when selling food also make reasonable pricing dont make it so experance that nobody buys anything from the ground.
5. When new shirts come try and them around £30 mark for adults shirts and kids around £15 mark.
This way you will sell more but also make more money put into the club again. 
6. Match day tickets you could £15 to £20 mark this will also help to fill pp again and also help long term of running the club in a good way.
7. Get roadriders back at decent prices or if possible get ramaway back on the trains or a discount for Derby county fans that wish to use trains for away games.
Derby county is means everything to me and like to lot of us.

Who owns Brentford? Anyone who sells us Jozefzoon whilst en-route to sustainably getting promoted seems to have the right idea.

Its pretty dispiriting reading some of these replies. In the situation we find ourselves in, there seems to be a blind faith that a benevolent group of 'investors' will come in & make everything alright. Have we not learnt anything?
In normal times, Derby earn circa 30m turnover...some of it TV money but majority ticket sales & merchanise sales. To put into context, our non-TV turnover will be top 5 in the EFL & in terms of overall turnover, only the clubs with parachute payments will exceed that. The point here is that we have a massive advantage over most at this level & hence the balanced budgets a Supporters Trust would be required to run  would be a realistic ambition to financially run a top 10 Championship club. For those thinking this would be our ceiling, I would argue a) its a damned sight better than where we are now & b) being in that group would keep us in the hunt for a playoff spot especially if we have a breakthrough moment with a very good manager or youth crop/savvy transfers coming good
In terms of organising it, yes the Ramstrust would be the vehicle. I spoke to the Football Supporters Federation back in May about this & they confirmed support/advice would go to Ramstrust as first refusal. Reality though is the supporters trust must be representative of the fanbase hence elections & people being held accountable i.e. the current group can be moulded away from what people perceive them to be at present
The best practice of Trust ownership currently are AFC Wimbledon, 4th in League One with a new stadium. Much smaller fanbase than us & rose from deep non-league. It can be done. We dont realise how powerful we are as fans & our club has a bigger reach than most.

I don't think it's loyalty really. If he had any half decent offer from another club he'd be gone, but no other club would touch him with a barge pole.
If he quit it would be years before he got another shot at a club the size of Derby, if ever. He'd have to go into League 2 or an academy.
I don't think the situation is even that bad for him personally. He's got almost a free hit while still learning in his first manager role, in the Championship,  with the excuses if he fails ready made. 
He's got one of the safest jobs in the country, any other manager would have been sacked with his record at the end of last season, regardless of the quality of players he had.

Rooney has had multiple interviews now, where he has been asked the question about walking away. He consistently says no. We have been crying out for stability and loyalty from a manager since Nigel Clough. He arguably has the toughest job of any manager for as long as I can remember supporting Derby (22 years) and despite having a bare minimum squad and having all the problems above him, he continues to show that he cares and wants to do well. 
We are starting to see a style of play which is exciting and attacking with the handful players he has. 
I think it's about time everyone starts to show respect to him instead of wanting him out. Any other manger would have left us in this mess. 
 
He's sticking with us, we need to stick with him !!

WR deserves massive plaudits for the second half of that game.
He got things badly wrong in the first half, as has so often been the case, but he showed last night that he can identify issues and implement fixes, even if it was only against Salford.
I was also really impressed by the attacking intention from the forward players.
Yes, only Salford, but he deserves praise just as much as he deserves criticism when it is earned.

The support was only good when it looked like a comeback was on. It wasn't so good when we were 2-0 down and there were moans, groans and even the odd boo coming out of the crowd. We were playing our academy kids....support them

If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, you obviously don't understand the situation.
I've been very critical of him, but, he does seem to be growing into the role and his media dealings are getting better, he just seems a bit more comfortable that he did last season. He's also clearly determined and decided he's going to go fully into it - and he's probably right, any established manager would've probably gone "na, i'll find a different job"
So far this season we've had 2 performances that have shown fight and some level of intent.
 

You had to spoil it

What keeps becoming apparent is his absolute dogged determination to get it right. It is deep within his eyes - a hypnotic certainty that whatever is thrown at him will not cause him to waver. The very essence of a winner. 

Was just about to post this. Watching last night I wasn’t sure if Joz had contributed much at all but on seeing the clips again he was involved in almost all our better goalscoring moments inc the first goal. 

Just watching the highlights on Sky Sports Football from 19:00. 
I remember now, didn't we have the first chance where Sibs went forward and could have put Joz in (not re-shown)? But 21 mins in Sibs knocks it back to Joz who puts Stretton clean through, but he couldn't quite control it. 
Edit: 33 minutes fouled on the edge of the box but the ref plays on, Hutch shoots just over.
Not got there yet, but of course he puts the pass in to Sibs for our 1st goal.
So some fans need to take their blinkers off.

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