Respect Waz

[jimbobram]

Rooney has had multiple interviews now, where he has been asked the question about walking away. He consistently says no. We have been crying out for stability and loyalty from a manager since Nigel Clough. He arguably has the toughest job of any manager for as long as I can remember supporting Derby (22 years) and despite having a bare minimum squad and having all the problems above him, he continues to show that he cares and wants to do well. 

We are starting to see a style of play which is exciting and attacking with the handful players he has. 

I think it's about time everyone starts to show respect to him instead of wanting him out. Any other manger would have left us in this mess. 

 

He's sticking with us, we need to stick with him !!

[MidWalesRam]

2 minutes ago, jimbobram said:

Rooney has had multiple interviews now, where he has been asked the question about walking away. He consistently says no. We have been crying out for stability and loyalty from a manager since Nigel Clough. He arguably has the toughest job of any manager for as long as I can remember supporting Derby (22 years) and despite having a bare minimum squad and having all the problems above him, he continues to show that he cares and wants to do well. 

We are starting to see a style of play which is exciting and attacking with the handful players he has. 

I think it's about time everyone starts to show respect to him instead of wanting him out. Any other manger would have left us in this mess. 

 

He's sticking with us, we need to stick with him !!

100% . Excellent post.

[Andicis]

There is a certain amusing irony about the respect thread using a nickname, but I agree with the sentiment.

[Jram]

I’m not convinced it’s courageous tbh when, by walking away, you would forfeit a 90 grand a week pay cheque 

[mozza]

He's growing on me, and I think he's growing on us.. 

[DCFC27]

11 minutes ago, Jram said:

I’m not convinced it’s courageous tbh when, by walking away, you would forfeit a 90 grand a week pay cheque 

If he had walked away at the end of last season he would have had a fairly high stock given we stayed up after being cut adrift. He’d have found a decent championship job with less going on. He’s not short of money so I don’t think he is motivated by money at this stage. 

[i-Ram]

14 minutes ago, Jram said:

I’m not convinced it’s courageous tbh when, by walking away, you would forfeit a 90 grand a week pay cheque 

Can you provide anything tangible to support your comment he is on £90k per week?

I accept there was much media comment of that sum for his playing contract (contra’d in major part by 32 Red) but how do you know that he did not accept an alternative contract when taking the managerial reins. I suspect you really have about much idea as I do. None.

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

29 minutes ago, jimbobram said:

Rooney has had multiple interviews now, where he has been asked the question about walking away. He consistently says no. We have been crying out for stability and loyalty from a manager since Nigel Clough. He arguably has the toughest job of any manager for as long as I can remember supporting Derby (22 years) and despite having a bare minimum squad and having all the problems above him, he continues to show that he cares and wants to do well. 

We are starting to see a style of play which is exciting and attacking with the handful players he has. 

I think it's about time everyone starts to show respect to him instead of wanting him out. Any other manger would have left us in this mess. 

 

He's sticking with us, we need to stick with him !!

I understand your sentiments made after a close run win against a lower league Salford side but let's keep our feet on the ground here.

Wayne,as far as we are aware,has no other club to go to,we are his only "upper" league option.

To move onto a more prestigious side he's going to need to show he can both manage a football club and then get results from them with the resources he has available.

If he achieves that (and he has a long way to go) and he starts to attract interest from other clubs,then we will see the extent of his loyalty to the club.

And I'd be astonished if he didn't say he wanted to do well,I should bloody well hope so if he's taken on a football club as manager.

Now,hopefully Wayne is starting to learn from last season and will indeed succeed but it's too early to profess him as the new messiah just yet...lets judge him by his results in the league and the tactics and style of play he then employs.

Edited August 11, 2021 by kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong

[Dean (hick) Saunders]

I agree on money motivation (I don’t think this is a big factor).

I think he is holding on with hope (same as us) for a takeover with a view that the club has a lot of good things going for it and with ownership solved potential for fighting at top of the league is not too fantastical.

I am not certain however he would withstand another run of results as bad as back end of last season whatever the cause (squad etc).

 

[David]

I actually think he's made a sensible decision for his own career, if he walks now, is he going to get a job again straight away?

Championship clubs, 17 months without revenue, have barely spent any money this summer, it's mostly been free transfers with Harry Wilson's £12m more to Fulham making up most of the entire league spend. 

I think clubs will possibly be more patient so not to find themselves paying a manager off, even Preston for example when replacing Neil have took the "cheap" option in appointing Frankie McAvoy, who?...Exactly, a 54 year old, first ever job as manager. 

Never played the game, academy coach at Dunfermline same job at Hamilton before being made academy director before following Alex Neil around as his first team coach.

Now you can argue he has more experience than Rooney, but in term of first team management, he has nothing, this will have been a cheap appointment.

You have the likes of Chris Wider, Eddie Howe, even Frank Lampard all out of work, so where will Rooney get another chance ahead of these names unless he drops a league or even two?

I'm not here to deny him of any respect, you could still understand if he walked and many others would have, but I think he has made a sensible decision here.

Given the situation he walked into, the summer where he lost players as we wasn't allowed to offer contract renewals, haven't signed players until 48hrs before the season, lost a first team coach and promoting within.

If we failed, by failed I mean relegation this season, I don't think he walks away with his reputation being tarnished that much at all. Others may disagree, but we see poor managers time and time again getting jobs so I don't see him being left on the scrapheap already but will have to wait his turn.

What he has going for him is a huge profile and reputation which will see him given opportunities where others wouldn't, rightly or wrongly, same with Lampard, even back to Clough whilst isn't a huge name in football now, got the job here off the back of who his Dad was (in my opinion).

I also think it's a sensible decision for Derby to stand by him despite all the noise. I'm not entirely sure who fans think we could realistically get to take this on in it's current situation. We haven't got a squad of experienced players that managers will know about, we have a lot of young players where they would need to learn what they are and what they are about.

Win on Saturday, you would have to say it's been a successful start to the season under Rooney, hopefully something we can build on without building expectations too high.

 

[DCFC27]

2 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

I understand your sentiments made after a close run win against a lower league Salford side but let's keep our feet on the ground here.

Wayne,as far as we are aware,has no other club to go to,we are his only "upper" league option.

To move onto a more prestigious side he's going to need to show he can both manage a football club and then get results from them with the resources he has available.

If he achieves that (and he has a long way to go) and he starts to attract interest from other clubs,then we will see the extent of his loyalty to the club.

And I'd be astonished if he didn't say he wanted to do well,I should bloody well hope so if he's taken on a football club as manager.

Now,hopefully Wayne is starting to learn from last season and will indeed succeed but it's too early to profess him as the new messiah just yet...lets judge him by his results in the league and the tactics and style of play he then employs.

Last season he had 

Davies 

Lawrene 

Biliek 

 

all out injured for most of the time we went on a bad run. Prior to that he proved that he could take a team cut adrift at the bottom of the league in to contention if mid table. 
Then when we did get some players in 

 

Mengi injured 

Gregory injured 

 

Then when the season ends and he hopes he can go back to proving himself he has to sign to experienced but ultimately past their prime CBs a goalie who just got relegated and a midfield wild card who hasn’t managed to perform for some of the best managers in English football (sir Alex, big Sam, Chris wilder) if (and a big if) he manages to keep us up again he’ll probably be the best manager we’ve had in recent history! 
 

 

He would have been offered a job eventually in the championship if he left after the final game of last season. But he has been fairly brave to come into this season. 

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

13 minutes ago, DCFC27 said:

Last season he had 

Davies 

Lawrene 

Biliek 

 

all out injured for most of the time we went on a bad run. Prior to that he proved that he could take a team cut adrift at the bottom of the league in to contention if mid table. 
Then when we did get some players in 

 

Mengi injured 

Gregory injured 

 

Then when the season ends and he hopes he can go back to proving himself he has to sign to experienced but ultimately past their prime CBs a goalie who just got relegated and a midfield wild card who hasn’t managed to perform for some of the best managers in English football (sir Alex, big Sam, Chris wilder) if (and a big if) he manages to keep us up again he’ll probably be the best manager we’ve had in recent history! 
 

 

He would have been offered a job eventually in the championship if he left after the final game of last season. But he has been fairly brave to come into this season. 

We don't know that he would be offered another job and as such his choices would have been to risk leaving us without another post to go into and without proving himself or stay on here and have another go,hopefully with a takeover just over the horizon...his chances of success would then have been hugely increased.

Edited August 11, 2021 by kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong

[Rev]

21 minutes ago, David said:

Win on Saturday, you would have to say it's been a successful start to the season under Rooney, hopefully something we can build on without building expectations too high.

I'll hold off on that Wembley hotel till after Hull, then.

[David]

3 minutes ago, Rev said:

I'll hold off on that Wembley hotel till after Hull, then.

Yeah, I would. Unless you can find something with a free cancellation just to reserve a room

[BaaLocks]

59 minutes ago, Jram said:

I’m not convinced it’s courageous tbh when, by walking away, you would forfeit a 90 grand a week pay cheque 

Wayne Rooney has an estimated wealth of £122m - whatever reason he's here, it's not for the money. To put that in perspective, if he spent £90k a week, with not a penny of interest, it would be more than 30 years before he needed to worry.

Edited August 11, 2021 by BaaLocks

[DCFC Kicks]

51 minutes ago, jimbobram said:

Rooney has had multiple interviews now, where he has been asked the question about walking away. He consistently says no. We have been crying out for stability and loyalty from a manager since Nigel Clough. He arguably has the toughest job of any manager for as long as I can remember supporting Derby (22 years) and despite having a bare minimum squad and having all the problems above him, he continues to show that he cares and wants to do well. 

We are starting to see a style of play which is exciting and attacking with the handful players he has. 

I think it's about time everyone starts to show respect to him instead of wanting him out. Any other manger would have left us in this mess. 

 

He's sticking with us, we need to stick with him !!

I don't think it's loyalty really. If he had any half decent offer from another club he'd be gone, but no other club would touch him with a barge pole.

If he quit it would be years before he got another shot at a club the size of Derby, if ever. He'd have to go into League 2 or an academy.

I don't think the situation is even that bad for him personally. He's got almost a free hit while still learning in his first manager role, in the Championship,  with the excuses if he fails ready made. 

He's got one of the safest jobs in the country, any other manager would have been sacked with his record at the end of last season, regardless of the quality of players he had.

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, Jram said:

I’m not convinced it’s courageous tbh when, by walking away, you would forfeit a 90 grand a week pay cheque 

Whose rectum did you pick that little clagnugget from?

[RoyMac5]

6 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said:

I don't think it's loyalty really. If he had any half decent offer from another club he'd be gone, but no other club would touch him with a barge pole.

If he quit it would be years before he got another shot at a club the size of Derby, if ever. He'd have to go into League 2 or an academy.

I don't think the situation is even that bad for him personally. He's got almost a free hit while still learning in his first manager role, in the Championship,  with the excuses if he fails ready made. 

He's got one of the safest jobs in the country, any other manager would have been sacked with his record at the end of last season, regardless of the quality of players he had.

You ought to try listening to what other football commentators think about Rooney's situation. Lots of them can't believe how bad it's been. Embargoes, fake sheiks, etc. 

I actually don't think he'd mind going to a lower league club - as has been said he's not in it for the money. He loves football and wants to become a successful football manager. 

So I'm glad he's got one of the 'safest jobs' in football, certainly not the easiest, lol. It means we will potentially get to benefit from Rooney becoming a very good manager. If he doesn't, well what's one more we've had plenty of failures!!! 

#COYR #RR

Edited August 11, 2021 by RoyMac5

[Raich Carter]

11 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

Wayne Rooney has an estimated wealth of £122m - whatever reason he's here, it's not for the money. To put that in perspective, if he spent £90k a week, with not a penny of interest, it would be more than 30 years before he needed to worry.

Well said. That interview last night was the most natural I've seen him do and the first where I've actually remotely liked him. He came across as honest and like he cared. 

My view is that he's staying because he's a tenacious bugger. He's on a hiding to nothing really in that if we survive, it's because we're a big'ish club; if we go down then he's not all that of a manager is he. Whichever way you look at it, it's far lower risk for him to leave as no-one would blame him and start with a less troubled club (i.e. any other club in the English league!).

So overall, fair play to him for sticking it out. I'm not sure I would have and I'm a fan! ?

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

16 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

Wayne Rooney has an estimated wealth of £122m - whatever reason he's here, it's not for the money. To put that in perspective, if he spent £90k a week, with not a penny of interest, it would be more than 30 years before he needed to worry.

I'd imagine he's donating this unnecessary loose change to charity then?

Everybody spends to their means and Wayne and Colleens needs are probably slightly more expensive than most of ours.

Mind you he looks like a sensible chap unlikely to be visiting nightclubs,casinos and the like...probably enjoys nothing more than an evening in with a copy of the Beano and a hot mug of ovaltine whilst staring lovingly at his Vauxhall Zafira on the drive.

Edited August 11, 2021 by kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong