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    ariotofmyown reacted to 86 Schmokes & a Pancake in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Welcome back comrade 😂
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    ariotofmyown reacted to 86 Schmokes & a Pancake in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Care to quote a single post where you've been labelled a heretic or a Nazi? Any one will do.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to Anon in The Politics Thread 2020   
    He threatened consequences for criminals who are currently looting and committing vandalism. He is absolutely correct to do so.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to SchtivePesley in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I see that Trump is outdoing himself now
     
    and going to war with Twitter - that platform that has hosted his deranged thoughts for year after year? 
    "Executive order"? I've seen enough Star Wars to know that is not a good thing
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    ariotofmyown reacted to GboroRam in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Did Boris ever release the report into Russiam interference in our election process? 
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    ariotofmyown reacted to TuffLuff in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Well why don’t we look into it and see
    The Vaughan Gething Case-
    The accusation: Snapped eating chips
    Reasoning: On his permitted exercise for the day and his child needed something to eat. Claims everything he did was in the rules within the Welsh lockdown rules. 
    Verdict: There’s no evidence to suggest he did anything wrong. Certainly didn’t drive anybody with symptoms across the country or anything so I think we are ok to agree that this one is solved? Not guilty, go and enjoy your chips.
    The Stephen Kinnock Case
    Accusation: Went to visit parent on said parents birthday
    Reasoning: A short and simple. Took ‘necessary’ items to his dad, maintained distance and didn’t stay long. 
    Verdict: Not the smartest move to post this ok twitter, but considering he didn’t drive anybody with symptoms, maintained a social distance or driving to test eye sight then i think he’s ok here surely? Got a good shoeing on twitter, a reminder of responsibilities by the twitter plod and I imagine a bit of a roasting in private. Not guilty but take it on the chin!
    The Tahir Ali case
    Accusation: Attended funeral with over ‘100 people’
    Reasoning: No reason given, but he went as an observer. Quick couple of things to observe though. One this quote, “West Midlands Police confirmed it was called to Sutton New Hall Cemetery following reports of a large crowd of people. On arrival, officers found approximately 15 people socially-distanced into family groups, therefore no action was taken," (from bbc report). This is more than allowed but the police decided no further action was necessary. The other is Ali response, in that he apologised and said he wanted to help set clear guidance on funerals attendance. I think this helped me understand the complexities and position he was put in and how he was looking to change it. 
     
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-called-up-100-mourners-18028561.amp
    Verdict: Not ideal this. I think the problem was only considered once the funeral took place and he didn’t deny anything and said he wanted to do something about it. Too much context involved for it to be a simple case.
    The Kevan Jones Case
    Accusation: Attended birthday of a 100 year old war veteran 
    Reasoning: The Party was moved indoors at the last minute due to the weather, all precautions were put in place to allow a small crowd into a sports hall.
    Read more here: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/kevan-jones-mp-defends-decision-18323036.amp
     
    Verdict: Similar to the Ali case he was put in a position. Maybe not the best action possible was taken but there was an attempt to keep within regulations and protect everyone involved. Not guilty
     
    KEY DIFFERENCES:
    As far I can tell, none of these people were ill or were with people were ill, they didn’t move the coronavirus from one place to another so had no potential to spread the disease, none of them tested their eye sight by driving 60 miles, none of them looked to cover up what they did, none of them were in meetings that decided what lockdown in the uk should be (actually, maybe gething could in Wales but he was eating chips!), none of them held press conferences in the rose garden at no.10 (won’t open that can of worms). Anymore?
    Similarities:...They were outside?
    There you go everyone I went and actually looked into what I did a post about. To all those who have been writing utter nonsense on here, about these MPs or trying to change the debate,  I did the work you should be doing before posting you lazy bunch of self righteous, tedious bunch of bleeps. 
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    ariotofmyown reacted to Bob The Badger in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I fear nuance is disappearing up its own behind Andy.
    I have a crazy fascination with behavioral economics and cognitive biases and the works of people like Daniel Kahneman, the late Amos Tversky, Dan Ariely etc.
    It took me getting into that topic about 20 years ago to realize how crap I was at critical thinking and saw things as black and white - which they almost never are.
    I have no issue stopping and examining my own thinking and forcing me to see both sides of the story.
    I also understand the difference between a belief and fact, which many people don't seem to.
    But I'm struggling with this one because here are the facts about this case as far as I'm aware and I probably haven't followed it as closely as some of you as I'm too busy being outraged by Trump.
    Fact # 1. Dominic Cummings helped write the stay at home rules.
    Fact # 2. He breached those rules whilst millions didn't - some of whom lost loved ones without being able to say goodbye.
    Fact # 3. By his own admission he took his family out for a ride whilst unsure of his eyesight.
    Fact # 4. He's an elitist tool who's gaslighting the entire country in a manner that would have Trump purring with pride.
    All indisputable, right?
     
     
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    ariotofmyown got a reaction from 1967Ram in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Enemies of the state. Traitors. Saboteurs. 
    That was the sort of thing they were called right? By newspapers that now  support what they are saying on Cummings.
    I keep mentioning it but prominent  Brexiteer Steve Baker has called for Cummings to go. And said he went too far during Brexit campaign: mentioned the bus, the Turkey leaflets, prorouging parliament.
    There are 18 names on that last too. Isn't it about 44 MPs saying he should go? Are they part of the #mediawitchhunt too. Or do they think supporting blatant lies is perhaps not a good look?
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    ariotofmyown reacted to Van Gritters in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Here’s one for @Eddie and I know @Coconut likes a strong beer too.
    https://www.brewdog.com/uk/barnard-castle-eye-test
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    ariotofmyown reacted to TuffLuff in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I feel this is something you should be able to think about independent of other posters on this forum, balance up the reasons why and maybe think whether it’s still worth posting.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to rynny in The Politics Thread 2020   
    The 2 main points of this whataboutery are;
    Did any of them, or their families at home, have symptoms of covid 19 when breaking lockdown?
    Have any of them denied what they did was wrong?
    If so then they are equally as bad as Cummings, if not they aren't quite up there with him, but still in the wrong, just like every other person who has broken the lockdown. However it doesn't take away from what Cummings has done. 
    And totally agree with @Coconut, if there had been some recognition from Cummings, Johnson, et al about how Cummings was in the wrong the majority would have moved on by now. 
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    ariotofmyown reacted to AndyinLiverpool in The Politics Thread 2020   
    And? How does the detract from Cummings?
    just because other people have done stuff they shouldn’t have, we just accept the person making the rules doing what he pleases? It’s not a very good argument    
     
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    ariotofmyown reacted to Coconut in The Politics Thread 2020   
    What he did is only a small part of the issue though. "What he did" could have been dealt with in a couple of days with quick action / response from the government. As we've seen in the past 3-4 years though, this government don't do much of anything quickly or decisively (unless it's to save one of their friends / donors paying out an extra £40m!)
    A vast number of people would have been happy for him to show some contrition (even if blindingly false), admit to some specific wrongdoing (not just "I have made mistakes, we've all made mistakes") and make a brief apology, regardless of whether he meant it or not. Yes there would still be some people refusing to let it go but as a whole people would have moved on to something else.
    ...but no. that's not good enough.
    Instead of doing what almost anyone else would do in that situation we get 3, 4 days of buffering whilst they work out a plan and come up with a story for Cummings to tell the world, all the while condemning the media reports as 'false reporting' (again, without ever stating what specifically is fake and what isn't) in the most hypocritical fashion possible when the story they've invented for Cummings could at best be described as cockamamie.
    However bad the media is (and they are), I think it's painting them as the enemy and liars of the piece that's lead to the story rumbling on and on. The whole remain/leave angle is only an addition to the story, not the story itself or the reason it's still an ongoing topic of discussion.
    I really couldn't give a stuff what Dominic Cummings and his family actually did at this point, but trying to take everyone for a fool afterwards has brought more shame on him, and Boris Johnson, than a 260 mile trip to County Durham ever could.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to nottingram in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Was the whole point of his visit not that he suspected his wife had CV and that he would get it as well?
    I would suggest that taking any suspected case of CV from the epicentre in London to an area of the country which had very few cases, and his wife and son going into a hospital while up there, would exactly define the bolder bit, and for me is unforgivable regardless of any rosette colour.
    Of course I may have misunderstood, and no one displayed any such symptoms. But then I would be even less sure what the purpose of any visit was.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Cummings could always report his treatment by the press to his local MP if he feels that strongly about it.
    Oh, wait. His local MP is Jeremy Corbyn who had to put up with a national media smear campaign for pretty much the entire duration of his Labour party leadership.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to TuffLuff in The Politics Thread 2020   
    It’s the press! It’s remoaners! It’s female MP Yvette Cooper! It’s female presenter Emily Maitlis! Where are we spending so much time on this? Look at at my propaganda from Vote Leage, that’s a certifiable source! It’s a non story!
    Meanwhile...we are suffering the highest death rate and it’s largely due to incompetency and yet you still want to put your head in the sand of where the actual problem is?
     
    https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0
     
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    ariotofmyown got a reaction from TuffLuff in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Enemies of the state. Traitors. Saboteurs. 
    That was the sort of thing they were called right? By newspapers that now  support what they are saying on Cummings.
    I keep mentioning it but prominent  Brexiteer Steve Baker has called for Cummings to go. And said he went too far during Brexit campaign: mentioned the bus, the Turkey leaflets, prorouging parliament.
    There are 18 names on that last too. Isn't it about 44 MPs saying he should go? Are they part of the #mediawitchhunt too. Or do they think supporting blatant lies is perhaps not a good look?
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    ariotofmyown got a reaction from TuffLuff in The Politics Thread 2020   
    I looked at their tweet account. I bet there are some great people behind that.
    As someone posted earlier, the media is out of control...according to some heavily biased fringe groups with unaccountable funding.
    Whilst the bbc gets stick all the time for laughably being left wing, they actually had someone from Guido Fawkes website on just before the Cummings statement!  Some kid looking for a job at a slightly more respectable outfit. Such as the Taxpayer's Alliance or Mike Ashley's PA.
    This 'impartial' method of a neutral bbc referee between partisan factions is a great way of getting fringe ideas into people's homes. The presenter is not even allowed to point out ridiculous ideas or lies in case they be deemed biased. Cummings exploited this brilliantly with Brexit.
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    ariotofmyown got a reaction from Uptherams in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Enemies of the state. Traitors. Saboteurs. 
    That was the sort of thing they were called right? By newspapers that now  support what they are saying on Cummings.
    I keep mentioning it but prominent  Brexiteer Steve Baker has called for Cummings to go. And said he went too far during Brexit campaign: mentioned the bus, the Turkey leaflets, prorouging parliament.
    There are 18 names on that last too. Isn't it about 44 MPs saying he should go? Are they part of the #mediawitchhunt too. Or do they think supporting blatant lies is perhaps not a good look?
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    ariotofmyown reacted to uttoxram75 in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Really struggle to understand your viewpoint on this maxjam.
    You say, "the majority of the media have a massive axe to grind re. Brexit and Cummings". If you look back, you will find that the majority of the media were fully behind Brexit.
    The Mail, Express, Sun, Times, News of the World, Telegraph were all pro Brexit. The Independent, Guardian and Mirror were mainly pro Remain. the main TV channels gave as much exposure to Leave as they did to Remain. Farage was on TV more than Simon Cowell.
    The debate should be about Cummings actions not what others think about him.
    Did he follow the spirit of the rules he was espousing at the time, ie: If you have symptoms, stay at home and protect the NHS.
    I don't believe he did and as an unelected advisor he should never have been allowed to address the nation as he did. I believe the rules about political advisors suggest he should not have been allowed to speak to the press about his own circmstances. I might be wrong about that, I've not got enough time to fully read up about it.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to i-Ram in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Two of those 61 are government whips. Hope they are good at self-flaggellation.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to alexxxxx in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Love this media witchunt angle that's being pushed all over by righty twitter. Pathetic. 
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    ariotofmyown reacted to uttoxram75 in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Undermine negotiations? Why would our negotiations be any worse without Cummings? He's an advisor not an elected politician.
    Why muddy the facts with all that though. Cummings disregard for his own guidelines is whats important here, not what his contribution to Leave was. I know plenty of Leave voters who believe Cummings is a liar and a hypocrite.
    Brexit and Covid are not related.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to LeedsCityRam in The Politics Thread 2020   
    To be honest, I dont think any side has had a good show. Media begin with over-reporting the fatality rate (4% here, 7% in Italy!) knowing full well the lack of testing was massively skewing the numbers, then the nonsense about panic buying despite the fact that supermarkets were largely coping. It was the most irresponsible kind of sensationalist reporting & most newspapers indulged. The lack of scrutiny of the Government, particularly on testing, excess deaths and the care home scandal has also highlighted the current weakness of serious journalistic standards and profile.
    But I agree this Government is bad. Not just weak or not ideal but downright appalling & the worst I can remember in my lifetime. Johnson & his merry band may well believe they can bluster away but in 4.5 years time, people will still remember not being able to see their loved ones pass away & not being able to go to their funerals whilst friends of the PM could do what they liked. This vile lot have sealed their own fate.
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    ariotofmyown reacted to uttoxram75 in The Politics Thread 2020   
    Curtains, if you stop to weigh it up you might just see that the Cummings saga is not political. Many Tory MPs and many more Tory voters think he should go. 
    In fact, it looks like the only people making political points are the ones who blindly support Cummings actions and Johnsons support of him.
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