WhiteHorseRam

18 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

It just is.

I feel depressed at the moment.

My entire mood is conditioned by outside circumstances.

I like to discuss it with Derby fans.

I know that makes no logical sense.

But it makes emotional sense to ME.

I'm ok with being banned, I'm over this poo

Chin up Bob, it's going to be just THIS THREAD IS NOW LOCKED

11 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Are you saying the PB will be named before, during or after next Xmas???

Round and round it goes ... 

Alan Nixon tells us what he had for lunch and everyone here lays an egg

45 minutes ago, David said:

I'm sat here thinking, if we have to hand over a penny, the only way I will ever feel comfortable with that is if this does set a precedent.

I have thought all along that if we have to pay over any money at all it sets a big precedent.

I watched the Man U game on Friday - I didn't think it was a handball with my football fan head on.

But my Rsole work head on?

Lawyer up and let's get going. Ref's eyesight/competence/historical bias based on his background, etc etc. Player's arm at an odd angle away from his body etc.

How much have Man U lost by being knocked out of the Cup at that point? Got to be worth a punt.

Then miserable Sword of Damocles hanging over Boro and the Ref for several months.

1 minute ago, BoroWill said:

I don't underestimate it at all. All I'm saying is you really shouldn't be surprised there are fans on our side who see comments like that and like others in this thread and develop animosity towards your fans and your club. 

With respect, they are not staring down the barrel of losing their club.

2 minutes ago, BoroWill said:

Please show me where he has said this.

 

After Morris gaslit you all for 5 years, what makes you put any trust in a word he says?

 

Can you point me in the direction of this rule? Or is this just the statement on us not being able to join the arbitration case actually ruling on your P&S breaches, which doesn't state anything about pursuing damages afterwards?

 

I'm not sure how when the points deductions would be enforced has any bearing on it, that is more to do with Wycombe's claim than our own.

You're a good lad @BoroWill .....

... but if this gets too much just go down on the pitch.

The coppers will see you are a young 'un and drag you out.

8 minutes ago, mozza said:

 

It's the fear that we might pull off the impossible and stay up, that's why they are keeping their thumbs firmly pushed into our windpipes..

 

The EFL nightmare scenario.

We stay up on the last day, nice new owner comes in.

ITV make lovely heart-warming TV film about us. 

Boris needs polls boost - after bad local elections in May - so cuts EFL's nuts off to secure East Midlands marginal seats.

@BoroWill well done for coming on.

Where do think Boro will finish League-wise?

10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

Have to say I have a bad feeling about this now.

27 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

Hi Niall 

All of our results would be expunged from the record. 

Oddly, the rules indicate that any club failing to fulfil a fixture should compensate the opposition for lost income and expenses. In the event of liquidation, that could mean that all the clubs we still had to play would become football creditors. 

An ironic historian joke ....?

If the Boro/Wycombe stance stops a takeover - mainly because the new buyers don't want to get hit down the line for a heap of cash - which is understandable - then we liquidate at some point and everybody loses.

@David 's belief is that at the very next EFL meeting after we have disintegrated they would all piously vote to make sure 'it never happened again.' If that happens I think the EFL are underestimating the blowback.

Boris might be desperate for some good works to do. Maybe Nadine Dorries will be sitting at the end of the next EFL meeting, with an unconventional agenda.

9 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

It seems to me that neither Middlesbrough nor Wycombe will ever see a penny  whichever way the decision goes.

While we are playing the counterfactual history game (which makes me feel slightly dirty as I am a historian) ...

Let's assume we are liquidated, what happens then?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am guessing - 

We are obviously unable to fulfill our fixtures, so we immediately take one of the three relegation slots.

But then would all the points earned against us be deducted? I would have thought so. It's only fair to the teams who have outstanding fixtures against us. After all, we are rubbish and they could honestly claim they would have earned 1 or 3 pts off us.

So, off the top off my head Barnsley lose three of their precious points - could get them relegated.

Forest lose three points - could just drop them out of play-off contention.

Who would they both claim off?

8 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said:

Lose and are liquidated the following day.

In all seriousness, if this happened - how much money would Boro and HW get?

5 hours ago, David said:

Correct.

Football creditor ruling would just decide if we could potentially be £50m or 25% of that which is a huge issue, not a neither here or there as suggested.

If we weren't in administration, arbitration would be just on the claim itself, we would have no choice but to fight it if brought against us, but don't think for a second this will ever happen again.

The very next EFL meeting you can bet your life they will pass a new rule that prevents a repeat of this in future. 

I think the  Boro Wycombe claims are completely spurious.

Martin Samuels' article nailed it - Boro were simply not good enough leading up to the end of that season.

They dropped 64 other points but expect us to give them £40 million for one point.

I think they are  arrogant in imagining that they would have definitely beaten Bielsa's Leeds and Smith's Villa.

They are behaving as if we have done them out of their Granny's bungalow.

Wycombe's claim is even dodgier. they only got promoted due to the Covid aggregate thing. They dropped 95 pts out of a possible 138. 43 pts from 46 games .....

If you decide the table does lie - football is ruined.

You are right though -  the door will be shut once we have been screwed.

Just now, RadioactiveWaste said:

They're still gutted we signed Junior.

I have to say I like Walsall.

it's like Endor with black pudding.

16 minutes ago, Raich Carter said:

We should issue an action against every club that had a vague impact on our league position. It's just about promotion (are you listening QPR) but how about us being 15th rather than 14th when Fulham (who got 'done') went up (I'm making up the league positions but you know what I mean.

Clubs that got 'done' in some capacity for FFP which could have had an impact on us are :

• Fulham
• QPR
• Florist
• Bournemouth
• Millwall
• Leeds
• Blackburn
• Hull
• Reading
• Sheff Weds
• Luton
• Coventry

All of those have had sanctions so by applying Gibson's logic, we should sue them all for any negative impact they may have had on our prize money... 

Once I was at Birmingham New Street Railway Station and someone wearing a Walsall scarf kept scaring at me.

It was a very odd situation and it put me right off the Cornetto I was eating.

If I made a statement to a solicitor I reckon that could be good for £50 off the Saddlers.

11 minutes ago, Black ('n' White) Sheep said:

Come on, this is taking the piss now... what's going on?!

This needs to be on a banner being towed by a plane, flying backwards and forwards over Derby

1 minute ago, Mick Harford said:

 

Just a correction, he's a Councillor and has been for years and years.

Massive Derby fan, and a principled bloke, would definitely not have him down as someone looking for attention.

 

 

I am sure he is a lovely lad, but many here are at the end of their rope.

Time for facts.

Just now, LauraH said:

I hope this is true and not another 'LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME' merchant.

39 minutes ago, Indy said:

Done. Have linked to the Mail article so they can see the detail and kept the accompanying tweet concise. 

Just read the article.

Brilliant - dissects the weakness of the two clubs' cases. 

Counter-factual history is always ball cocks, and you can't claim £40m based on it.

Just now, Tamworthram said:

oops. Typo.

Should be pursuing

Could be either the way football is going ....

1 minute ago, Tamworthram said:

perusing us

Now is that pursuing or perusing?

1 minute ago, StaffsRam said:

He’d better be working on it fast…

Just now, Foreveram said:

If we get new owners in and manage to stay up this season, there will still be fans saying the EFL let us off. FACT.

Boro fans will be focussed on their club consolidating their place in the Prem and planning for the Champions League I imagine.

Wycombe fans getting ready for back-to-back promotions.