BucksRam

Err, based on what?  Practically every study shows that if you are vaccinated you're less likely to contract covid.  You're less likely to get really ill if you do contract it.  You clear the virus faster. You have lower levels of virus overall for the period you're infected and the peak load time of the virus is less than those unvaccinated.  All that together shows in studies that vaccinated people are, on average, likely to be less contagious.
I may be wasting my breath here, which fortunately after 2 bouts of covid, I still have albeit not as good as it used to be. 

Precisely this and the probable main reason for some threads being regurgitated is that it's not possible for either party to provide a compelling, decisive, factual argument so the debate goes on and on and on......
My largest gripe is that when someone does bother to quote some factual based information such as statistical data but it then it quickly gets poo pooed with the hackneyed quotes about being able to be interpreted as to how you like, it's not valid to compare x with y and so on because the facts don't marry up with their personal agenda. 

Yeah I hear you - don't want to get into the vaccinated vs not vaccinated other than to say those not vaccinated are more likely to pass it on than those not, and even though vaccinated, you can still catch it (as I have done) and so still pass it on to others.  On a personal level I take the "tested negative" with a little bit of a pinch of salt.  My daughter had covid - we tested daily for 4 days after she'd had her PCR result, all negative. Day 5 we tested positive. Pretty sure in the interim we were carrying the virus. 

Sneezy

Not quite true as unvaccinated can attend with  a valid LFT result,  protocols within the clubs require the same testing as a minimum of all staff.
I do agree with the sentiment though about team-mates not being vaccinated if I was and them being in the same dressing room, briefings etc

Yeah he was. Ironically common drugs like Aspirin, Benadryl or Zyrtec (anti histamine drugs generally) all have a risk of adverse side effect on fertility.  I bet quite of few of those refusing the jab would quite happily pop one of those pills. 
To quote Professor Emma Duncan a professor of Clinical Endocrinology at King’s College London: 
“The question of male fertility and COVID-19 vaccines has been studied for mRNA vaccines; and there is no evidence that sperm counts or motility (sperm capability to move/ swim) or male fertility are affected by vaccination. There have been no concerns raised about AstraZeneca to date either.
However, what is important is that there is evidence that men who are recovering from moderately severe COVID-19 have reduced sperm quality and counts 1-2 months after their illness, compared with men who have mild or asymptomatic infection – though in the study that looked at this the values were still in the normal range and may recover further with time.
The best advice for men who are planning a family is to get vaccinated – for their own sake and for the sake of their partner – as COVID-19 in pregnancy – particularly late in pregnancy – is associated with a higher chance of adverse outcomes for both the mother and the baby.  There is no evidence that vaccination affects fertility of either men or women.”

And there hangs the issue. They're applying two different principles to a single event.  It does smack of hypocrisy making it compulsory for fans to be jabbed to attend a game, but voluntary for the players who they're there to watch. If I were in the dressing room and some of my team were unvaccinated I wouldn't be happy personally - it's proven that the risk of passing on COVID is drastically reduced in vaccinated people - all I'd think is matey-boy opposite me doesn't give a poo about my health. 

Having weathered this storm for nearly 2 years now for some reason I'm getting really, really twitchy.........  

Having weathered this storm for nearly 2 years now for some reason I'm getting really, really twitchy.........  

Yeah a bit to be fair (not like Waitrose though) but we've tried Tesco etc and just got fed up with not having things available, or stupid substitutes.  Last straw was during lockdown when we were restricted to 80 items which was really hard for a family of 4 plus also shopping for my elderly parents who were shielding - we switched to Ocado (M&S) who had no such restrictions and haven't gone back.  That said we do still do the odd shop in Aldi or Lidl too. 

If Sky's to be believed, the EFL has told them today 25% of their players have no intention of getting vaccinated.  But it's OK for them to play.  So fans are being made to show passports to prove they've been vaccinated to just get into the ground, but 25% of those they're going to watch aren't even going to bother getting a jab.   

If Sky's to be believed, the EFL has told them today 25% of their players have no intention of getting vaccinated.  But it's OK for them to play.  So fans are being made to show passports to prove they've been vaccinated to just get into the ground, but 25% of those they're going to watch aren't even going to bother getting a jab.   

Sebastion "Charidee" Smythe.  27.  Single, but in a ladies man kinda way, if you know what I mean?  Eh?
Friends call me Seb, for short... but in reality, I am far from short, if you know what I mean?  Eh?
No children that I know of, but then I never leave a calling card, and use a burner for sexting!
6ft 2, eyes of blue, and hair of golden hue.  Size 12 feet, if you know what I mean... eh... eh?
Hobbies include gym workouts, body-building, oiling my pecs, cliff diving, and wearing only the finest bespoke attire from George O'Marney.
Work in the finance sector, (Tuesdays & Wednesdays) making a bit of extra dollar (Or Yen, to be fair!) for the middle class "celebrities"... which equates to mega-bucks por moi!  I'll be retiring in 3 years time, although I could do now, if I wanted!
I also do voluntary work... Freelance Gigolo eh?  Eh?
Oh yeah... fluent in 9 foreign languages, including Mandarin and Urdu.  I play... rather adeptly, although I say so myself... classical piano, harpsichord, and glockenspiel. 
If I fail to complete The Times crossword within 30 minutes, I punish myself with a gruelling 8mile yomp across the moors, carrying a 35kg pack. 
I have served the Queen... both indirectly and directly (If you know what I mean!)... but I can tell no more on that score... Eh?  Eh?  Maybe in my next book!
I have written scores for 3 Hollywood blockbusters, and two best selling novels.  Officially romance, but they're basically autobiographies, if you know what I mean?  Eh?   Eh?
I could buy DCFC tomorrow if I so desired, but truth is, I have my eye on other protects... or Real Madrid, as they are otherwise known.
 
But enough about me...
 

Pers: married. 2 daughters and two grandsons. 2 house cats (although they’re really my daughters but stayed with us when my daughter married and moved out)
interests: most sport (except boxing and snooker to name a couple). History, geography and documentaries in general. Photography 
work: Recently early retired from Project/Change management in financial services (banking). Volunteer mentor with Princes Trust and Sported. School governor and involved with local charity (grade 2 listed building and grounds)
like: People that are prepared to listen to and understand/accept others point of view
Dislike: People that are not prepared to listen to and understand/accept others point of view. Extremist (from both ends of whichever spectrum you care to choose). Cheating in sport (especially football)
Ethos: Be prepared to listen and consider before reacting (have to confess I’ve often failed with this one on this forum)

Pers...Divorced after 45 years, 2 siblings male and female both in their 40s, 2 Grandchildren...boys,
Interests...Most sports, Played football, Refereed and Managed the game, Packed up refereeing when I had my parentage questioned, The player ended up with his nose out of place, Now at an age where I do as I please, Running/walking I enjoy, Altho that B/stard hill winds me up as my knees are almost shot.
Work...I was a Senior Union Official at RR, Now part time as a Caretaker/handyman for a community Centre, I retire in April 2020
Like...Life and living on my own, I've had shed loads of shyte thrown at me since the age of 18, Came through it with flying colours, Get up at 6am every day and enjoy anything I do until my eyes tell me...bed time!
Hate...I best not put what I hate, By and large Hate is an emotion that can/will play games with you
Dislike...Ignorance in people, Hypocrites, Watching football on TV and then to be told by pundits what i've just watched, So MOTD I skip through or turn the TV over at HT/FT on Sky
Ethos...Enjoy what life brings and help those who can't help themselves, And listen to others.

Pers: Married, 2 girls (not quite left yet), 2 cats, the right side of 50
Interests: football (DCFC fan since Arthur Cox era, played to mediocre standard on Saturday (when Rams were not at home) and Sunday until kids were born including managing taveners team for a few seasons), Running (done 5 marathons, including London this year in 4 hours, Reading and history.
Work: Engineering (RR)
Like: Hols in my VW camper van, usually some where near a decent pub and mountains to climb. Real ale. My mates who I have known for 30y since an apprentice.
Hate:  Nothing much, easy going chap me.
Ethos: Never considered that I might have one. Is that bad?
 
 

Apologies if I've missed a similar thread like this before.
I've noticed quite a few comments recently from posters who have opined "I don't know who you are but...", or "I don't know what you do but...". I thought it may be useful if, assuming anyone's willing, to share a bit about themselves which may help in understanding where some of us may be coming from or provide a reference point if anyone has a particular question (not the x-rated stuff of course albeit that may be more interesting!).  At the risk of being the only poster, I'll bite the bullet and go first:
Pers: Married, 2 girls, 3 cats, the wrong (or is that the right?) side of 50
Interests: football (DCFC fan >40 years), rugby, mountain biking, TV/Film, reading, martial arts
Work: Business Change, Project Management, Business Analysis
Like: having a laugh, listening, honesty, being there for others, healthy debates, socialising
Hate:  unconstructive criticism, rudeness, ignorance, know-it-alls
Ethos: If it's just a game, why keep score?

As opposed to @sage words such as "It's your round, Eddie"

Good to hear as this is next on our watch list having just finished S3 of Hanna last night.  

But not too close, you may catch something......

And if you have been vaccinated it shows you're less at risk of being seriously ill if (when?) you do catch it against those who haven't been vaccinated.

Pers: Married, stepson and stepdaughter, 3 grandchildren 
Interests: football (DCFC fan >50 years), cricket, TV comedy and drama (very selective), reading, gardening 
Work: Product Development and Training, mutual insurer
Volunteering: Cruse bereavement 
Like: helping others, humour, countryside, feeling fit, family 
Hate: negativity, bigotry, seeing people who look sad/without hope
Ethos: Treat others as you would like to be treated. Always try to see things from a different perspective.

Are you allowed to marry animals?