ColonelBlimp

I can understand why they do this but they don’t need to have this in place when they know it’s not going to sell out 

Waiting for payday, Tuesday then that will be another 2
You have to print them off right? 
B&W OK? 

Waiting for payday, Tuesday then that will be another 2
You have to print them off right? 
B&W OK? 

A better manager than Nigel Clough would have helped.

Is there something you need from us?
Are we all having fun
You never agreed to be
Our Holy One
..Whatever we've done,
..Been staring down a Barrel of a Gun.
 
Slight adaptation of DM's Barrel of a Gun
https://youtu.be/V7GCrTFCXYo
 

A better manager than Nigel Clough would have helped.

Oh absolutely agree, Nigel did a good job in the circumstances up to a point. 
But his limitations regarding attractive football were exposed as soon as McClaren showed you could play exciting, attacking football with essentially the same players.
Also, agree on Rooney.

A better manager than Nigel Clough would have helped.

But if it was 12 this season and say 9 next season we could still potentially stay up for two consecutive seasons with those punishments. They won't be noteworthy seasons as a result, but we could maintain championship status and the income that it brings. 

Wayne Rooney is a credit to this Club.
I was pretty anti-Rooney, up until probably the middle of this summer. I couldn't understand why, with our problems, he still wanted to be here. And I was annoyed that without our problems, Mel probably would have pulled the trigger long before the crunch-match against Sheffield Wednesday.
However, as more and more has come out about what has been happening behind the scenes, the better Rooney is coming out of this. People will point to his win-record and say X amount of wins in X amount of games, but right now I don't think that matters. He has completely the right attitude, personality and resolve that we need the manager of this Club to have right now.
There is no guarantee any other manager with a proven track record would get anything more out of this team, and the players clearly want to fight for him. It's ironic that this might be one of the most united squads and coaching team we've had during Mel's tenure, given everything going on around it.
Whatever happens, Rooney should always be held in high regard by Derby County, he's a credit to himself and everybody else involved.

He won't remember FFP and administration, he will remember all the things you mentioned in your first paragraph. The atmosphere at the Stoke game was very positive and will be v Reading and Swansea. 

I just want to say that I am a realist and I know the likelihood involved, but if we're admitting defeat and saying relegation is a certainty only 8 games into the season, we might as well fold the club now
You've got to believe it can be done. A bit of wild hope never hurt anyone. If we've got this defeatist attitude already, don't be surprised to get tonked every game now until the end of the season. How can the players have any belief if we as the fans don't?
Call me an idiot if you like but come on. Let's give it a try, no?

We have another point deduction incoming. If we go on the basis of -21 or depending if we can't pay wages -24 then we would be closer to the true figure. 
I wish Mel Morris nothing but absolute misery until the end of his days. I hope he stubs his toe every step he takes and every wasp that descends on our shores stings his baw bag.  

I think I read the other day that wages were running at c£15m p.a. when the Americans were in charge, but in a few short years Mel had it up to c£40m p.a.  COVID was the reason. Choices Of Vain IDiot.

Rather hard to hear when been told it could be my emotions causing neve dammage I got to see a shrink to see if it is that and it is not nrothing else they can do for me.
I need this club more than anything we got to be taken over.

Why the hate towards Ramstrust?
I did listen to the podcast and his interview (Jim) and he did come across as if he represented all fans when really it's  about 12, but other than that?

Then why are you suggesting that people in poverty can afford to waste £50 each when there's bills to pay and food to put on the table? 

The administrators will initially try to put together an inventory of assets that they can potentially sell, as well as write to all known creditors advising them that the complany(ies) is in administration, and that all current sums payable are frozen until the administration ceases. Once they know what they have to sell, they will advertise the club for sale although are likely to be inundated with idiots and tyrekickers as well as legitimate buyers. Often they will ask for a deposit for exclusive rights to inspect the books from potential new owners. 
They will ask for a statement of affairs from management, this is a summary of the most recent management accounts and identify which, if any costs can be cut. There are likely to be redundancies as a result. 
They will also ask suppliers to sign new contracts with the administrators and guarantee payment for all future purchases during the course of the admin procedure. 
The most critical issue in the short term is that of finding funding. The wages have to be paid in September, and this will be challenging as it is a seven figure sum, with relatively few assets (property assets appear to be owned by Gellaw, which is not in administration) although there will be the residue of the season ticket money received pre appointment. In addition the administrators will estimate their fees, in the case of Wigan they were over £1.6m plus a one-third uplift upon completion of a successful sale, plus legal and other costs on a few hundred thousand. 
In the case of Wigan, the most recent football administration, things were easier because the club had property assets (it had two training grounds, one of which was sold to Preston for £1.5m) as well as plenty of players to sell (this generated £10m) as the admin took place in the summer during the transfer window. Derby's administrators have a disadvantage in both of these issues. 
Once Derby is sold the new owners will have to trade under a business plan agreed with the EFL, and a combination of the liquidators of the OldCo and the new owners need to pay all of the preferred creditors and a dividend of 25% of the unsecured creditors within two years or face a further 15 point penalty. 
Again here Derby's position is more challenging than that of Wigan, where (a) the club owner wrote off the debts due to him (b) Wigan had property assets to sell to the new club owners and (c) I think that HMRC were still unsecured creditors in 2020, so were only entitled to 25% of a much lower figure than the estimated (figure given on the podcast by RamsTrust) £26m owing to the tax authorities. The football creditors figure may be higher than in the case of Wigan too, though whether there are still monies owing to Keogh and whether they are deemed to be football or unsecured creditors is uncertain. 

We honestly are not obsessed with Derby and have said on many occasions (a) We hope to have no need to discuss the club again and (b) not keen with behaviour of owners results in punishment for fans via points deductions.
 
The reason why the club has appeared on the show is a combination of EFL Charges, Keough sacking claim, refusal to publish accounts, amortisation, failure to pay wages on time, FFP, collapsed sale deals and administration.
 
If none of those had arisen then the club would not have had a mention. 
As for laughing at our own jokes, I laugh at Kevin’s because I think he’s very funny. 

Never been poor have you?

Never been poor have you?

I listened to it for the first time ever today. Kevin Hunter-Day seems a decent bloke. As for KM, he doesn’t have any axe to grind with Derby I don’t think, but he is extremely anti-Mel Morris and with good reason, and uncovered that we were issued with a winding up petition from HMRC pre-COVID. Furthermore he listened to Mel’s interview yesterday and it didn’t change his opinion in the slightest, when Jim Wheeler pressed him on Mel’s defence of the amortisation policy he shot it down quickly, amortisation isn’t meant to be a reflection of value. It isn’t perfect but it’s consistent. Using transfermarkt to value players is as reliable as using Wikipedia as a source!! 
 
I think he spoke a lot of sense and is merely exposing Mel for the charlatan he is.

A fan owned club might work non league or lower league, but not a this level.
Germany has a good idea with fans owning a big stake in all clubs, but that’s league wide.
waiting 28 days is just wasting time for a new buyer to step in.

If it works for massive clubs in Germany why couldn't it work for Derby County?

Quite the claim, and a rubbish one at that.