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Surely, if he's gone for a short term policy, he wouldn't have given Warne such a long contract?

Hull are 15th, one win in eight games.

I don't think 'pull' exists other than $$$$. History shows us that Tomori, Mount, etc cost absolute fortunes to get in so I really don't think there is such a thing as 'pull' per se. I think that in a scenario where a player choses club X or club Y the style of play, manager personality, club size, etc all comes into play so when we hear Mount saying that Frank was the reason, etc then yeah - that reason + £2m loan fee or whatever it was!
PW is clearly a players-manager whereas some managers (E.G. Rafa) are very much about systems, etc so will clearly attract certain types of players. I'd argue the types (honest, hard working) of players that PW would attract are the types that we need for the next few seasons - i.e. I'd rather we didn't sign trouble-makers/those that only sign for the money, etc for the long term benefit of the club.
Personally I think we're in good hands and what we're seeing now is the financial restrictions really biting. However, I will caveat that with the fact that there are players in the squad with some pedigree who don't appear to be playing to their previous levels (Collins, Hourihane, etc) but again, perhaps there's a reason why they're here in L1 on relatively low wages...

We are in the top 6. Lets await the next match, support the team and stop being entitled.

To be fair he was blaming Will Ferrell

Fans may not like Collins, yet he was probably the best option we had given the restrictions we had last season, failure to go up this season, we maybe in the same boat.
Why has he stopped scoring goals? He’s not Haaland playing in a Man City team. Hasn’t had as much game time recently and came back into the League 1 team which hasn’t been playing great and it’s taking time to get his eye back in. It’s going to happen.
If you recall it took him a while to get going at the start of the season. 
He’s still our second top goalscorer and 3 goals off the top 10 in the division.

I think our small squad and lack of options is really hurting us we are crying out for a striker with pace.

Yesterday's result was one which I did expect even through rose tinted glasses. I thought we may get a draw out of it before the match started but going in at half time still not having scored I thought there was an inevitability about the outcome. Despondent yes. Think we have blown our chances of the playoffs - possibly. However, we have 8 (and a very outside chance of 11 games) to go. But we have a team to support, a chairman who really does care about this great football club of ours, a fan base that most teams are envious of, and a manager who will eventually succeed given the time. We have been spoilt by that unbeaten run and, now we are struggling to maintain a top six finish. But we have somewhere to go to on a Saturday afternoon,somewhere to congregate and share our passion for DCFC. Quite a few people on here have really forgotten what deep despair we were in and whether we would have a club? If we get into the playoffs - fantastic achievement. If not then we go again next season. I will renew my season ticket when they come out. I will bellow my support. Life's too short for goodness sake. Let's get behind the lads again this Saturday and beyond. DCFC is still here (do you hear Gibson; Wycombe chairman, Florist fans etc.)  and we WILL be back where we belong soon. UTR!

That’s a good shout, to get the best out of the two forwards we do have. Tell Collins to stay central, leave McGoldrick in a freer role, then use two of NML/Barkhuizen/Sibley/Dobbin/Springett out wide to get at the fullbacks and put crosses in. We might lose control in midfield but that’s been lacking a lot recently anyway. 

I think we need to try Bird and Knight as a two with Didzy behind Collins. It’s worth a try as we look so toothless at the moment with Didzy playing up top he drops deep and we have nobody in the box to get on a cross or pounce on a mistake.

I think we need to try Bird and Knight as a two with Didzy behind Collins. It’s worth a try as we look so toothless at the moment with Didzy playing up top he drops deep and we have nobody in the box to get on a cross or pounce on a mistake.

I think we need to try Bird and Knight as a two with Didzy behind Collins. It’s worth a try as we look so toothless at the moment with Didzy playing up top he drops deep and we have nobody in the box to get on a cross or pounce on a mistake.

I think our small squad and lack of options is really hurting us we are crying out for a striker with pace.

I think it’s a contrasting styles of play thing more than anything.  I think Warne wants us to be the kind of team where Collins does well (he said as much when he was appointed), but we don’t have the players to do it.  The only time the midfield balance has looked right is with Bird, Hourihane and Knight pushing on, and with McGoldrick having to play (because he’s our best player), there’s no room for Collins.  The spell where Collins did well, we were playing more of a regular 442 and while Collins personally did okay, the rest of the team didn’t function as well as in a 4231.

Good summary of the conflicts at play.
But with regards to it not being an easy time to be a Derby fan, when is? And it's still certainly better than when we thought we wouldn't have a club.

I feel very conflicted about the current situation at the Club. 
Part of me is just grateful that we have a Club. That part believes we shouldn't really be judging Warne until we have a squad he has assembled on a level playing field with other clubs in the division ie by spending money that we can afford.
But, we knew when we signed Warne that we couldn't do this for at least this season and probably next. We also knew that the squad we had was put together, albeit hastily, by a different manager with a very different style of play in mind. 
Warne has worked this squad very hard to get them somewhere near the fitness levels he demands, but he isn't able to magic up physicality, or do anything about the age profile of the squad. He has inspired them personally, you can see the effort is there, but some players look to be treading treacle at this stage and in dire need of a rest, yet we've still 8-10 games to go. 
So something has to give somewhere. Could we have managed the squad's fitness better by not demanding up-tempo direct football that drains their energy levels in every game? Could we have used the players' undoubted football skills to make the ball do some of the work for them? Could we have rotated the squad better? Could we even (heaven forbid!) have set up not to lose some of these away matches, rather than go all out to win them? An extra 4 or 5 away points from grinding out defensive draws would be very welcome right now, imo.
Or should we look at this season as a free hit? See it as a learning opportunity for Warne to ascertain who he might want to keep in a much-changed squad for next season to play the way he wants and thinks will eventually succeed in getting us out of this division? Should we steel ourselves to waving goodbye to the type of pretty football that has been Derby's trademark for some years now, but has ultimately brought us little success?
I don't know the answer to any of those questions. 
And let's not forget this season isn't over yet.
Warne's high-risk, high-reward style of play may yet reap those rewards this season and we might all feel very differently if we gain promotion in a glorious win at Wembley in May. The struggle of how we got there will then be temporarily forgotten. 
Until it starts again next season and all the worries will surface again.
I don't think it's an easy time to be a fan at Derby County. 

Warne has been operating under very different and difficult circumstances to the top six teams we are competing with. The players look tired and some who were so reliable earlier on are out of form. We have a tiny squad so very little room for change game by game except shuffling around the deckchairs. He has inherited a squad that's not his and in the large doesn't suit what he wants to do (3 at the back, high intensity etc).
BUT! His in-game management seems poor, he appears slow to react to situations and change things up (formation, style of play, attitude) when other teams step it up or make changes.
Time to judge him is at the end of next season, when he's had a pre-season, more of his own team regards players he wants and more time to put a footprint on it.
We might still go up this season by the way, just in case anyone has forgotten we are still in the play off positions. 

Better than no league🤔

Bang on.
If we hadn’t had that excellent run of results (damn Paul Warne and the team) but instead been bubbling around 6th to 9th along with the chasing pack we probably wouldn’t be feeling half as bad and we’d probably be thinking “let’s consolidate this season and make a big push next season ready for a return to the Championship when the restrictions are lifted”.

Well it’s the hope that kills you , fantastic run put us in the top 6 and nailed on to stay there with a real shot at chasing top 2 ,that certainly had the effect of making me forget what a mess we were in and my hope to avoid relegation this season before we kicked off , bought two season tickets even though we hadn’t renewed for a few seasons before that and I bought them expecting to watch us struggle but my driving factor in buying them was to put a tiny bit of money into the club after a fan like dc had saved us when perhaps he wasn’t brimming with the funds needed to wave a magic money wand and was restricted also , I remind myself of that this morning as I adjust my expectations, this is a derby that has been decimated over the last few years and I for one will do what I’ve always done when we are in it up to our necks ,,,, get behind the club ,
we were never in the top six under liam with this squad ? And we may not finish in it under warne , im gonna support the team and the manager for the rest of the season and cross my fingers for a return to form and another good run , im not going to slate those fans slating the manager or certain players because it’s bloody hard work being a derby fan at times and I feel the disappointment and frustration just like they do 

Putting aside how we played and whether we 'deserved' anything from the game as football match results aren't decided on merit rather on goals scored and conceded, it still gets me how Harvey White being tripped in the box didn't lead to a penalty to us to potentially bring it back to 1-1.
Almost identical to the one given against us at Plymouth that won them the game.
It does not matter whether their player got the minutest of touches on the ball or not, the laws of the game make no mention of this.
If the ref judged it was not a penalty, then White should have been shown a yellow for simulation. I'm sure the yellow he was shown together with the Peterborough player was for the fracas that ensued afterwards.

Yes dominated!!! the first half all 3 of White Hourihane and Bird dominated their midfield …they struggled to get out of there half we won ever second ball and moved it around nicely …White included who you seem to dislike ….the problem comes when you dominate but don’t make it count ! We didn’t as we are toothless up front when a Didzy is not at it …Dobbin if he had held his position on the left could’ve picked up some of the crosses from NML instead he was too central …hourihanes cross into the box from a free kick was sublime …but not one player on the end of it …there were a few decent deliveries with no end product …Barks should’ve scored but without decent strikers we aren’t going to score enough 
if we had gone in 2-0 at HT it wouldn’t have been an injustice but when you don’t take opportunities when you’re in total control there is always the chance you’re going to end up with nothing …no team dominates for the entire 90 mins …We are lacking pace and power up front and no disrespect to Didzy but he’s no youngster …he needs a rest sometimes … who for? Dobbin for me is not good enough and I don’t get the springett signing ….out midfieId 3 would get into most teams in the top 6 and of our division ….but we are toothless and Collins is woeful ….a tryer yes but woeful ….also Cashin needs to get his form back …Fozzy and Roberts we’re good today Cashin wasn’t ….

Warne doesn't have a plan B because we don't have enough players for a plan B. When you look at our bench, where are the game changers? They bring on Poku and similar, we just don't have the luxury. Tactically smashed them first half, but as soon as they change formation we don't have the flexibility to respond. We're a squad of old men, and we get actively worse when Collins is brought on.

Grandson took this after the game.

One thing that no one seems to be talking about is...our pressing.
We've practically stopped doing it and it's making the rest of our game out of sync.
Since the tiredness became really apparent, we are conceding 2 goals a game on average.
We won't stay in the top 6 if that continues.