San Fran Van Rams

Solid performance today and good confidence booster going into some tough games.
Reading within touching distance and have a challenging run in. Get couple of points out of Bournemouth and Blackburn and I'd put us favourites to stay up.

V interesting if true. If true, I assume the negotiation is now on what cash they need to pay of the minimum viable debt, whether that results in 0 or -15 points next season, and whether they get the stadium for no cost - would raise the question as to whether Morris would allow this. He'd walk away with absolutely nothing, which in my mind is how it should be. 
Pure conjecture obviously but makes sense as to why its taking time to agree to the particulars.

Now your posts make sense all of a sudden…

Agreed that he was a rock at times. 
I hate rowett. Absolute spineless jelly when he needs to go for it. 
Just seems to relish a career in dashing hopes where he and his rabble have none.... 

But Derby cheated remember?! If they don’t sell all their squad for tuppance and get relegated they’ve not been punished sufficiently.

They were deducted 25 points after going into administration, leaving them 20 points adrift at the bottom of the table. 
They finished 6th, 24 points ahead of 9th and 10th.
Their joint second top goalscorer with 8 goals?
This man.

Found it. Thank you 

One more post then I really am signing off for the weekend, putting it here as this is an "open letter", otherwise the missus will kill me.
What I would personally like is that:
- Boro drop their claim and Wycombe announce they will not be making a claim against the club.
Failing that.
- EFL rule that according to regulation 4.4, Boro's claim has been dismissed and Wycombe told they are unable to make a claim.
Failing that.
- EFL rule that neither have football debts and cannot be considered as football creditors.
Failing that.
- EFL accept Mel's offer to fight the claim and any further claim from Wycombe in the High Court, with the EFL referring back to reg 4.4.
Failing that.
- Quantuma go for a High Court ruling on football creditor status.
That is 4 options which ultimately save the football club, plus a final option for Quantuma.
Decline Boro's offer of mediation, mediation would be nothing more than settling with Gibson and Couhig who is yet to even file a claim for X, the administrators won't go against legal advice, they won't take extortion money out the creditors pot.
It's unlikely Mel would agree to pay anything without it being settled on a neutral battleground, the High Court.
Boro's offer of arbitration is also declined, we cannot wait until May, they know this which is why what they are doing is nothing more than extortion.
Quantuma have no reason to go into arbitration when they have the faster option of a High Court ruling.
The only way arbitration becomes a possibility is if Mel agrees to indemnify, see earlier post why I don't believe this should be considered until the very last hour before the lights are turned off.
Enjoy your weekends!

With the accusations towards myself and now this, I have to ask why are you so concerned by the mental health of the EFL and not the club, Derby County, that faces liquidation?
Even the Birmingham game, the fans worked hard, donating tickets to those in need to put money into the club and get behind the lads, we sold out the stadium and your response was something along the lines of....well this will scare the young lads playing in front of a full stadium...WHAT???
We could lose our club and whilst they didn't put us in this situation, they are making it as difficult as possible for us to leave this situation and your idea of a tea party and gifts for the EFL just isn't going to wash.
If the EFL have been rattled by the statement made by Mel last night then great, this is fantastic news, we need to show that we're not going to take this lying down without a fight.
The EFL picked this battle by ignoring not only their own regulations but insolvency laws.
If you want to go and give Rick Parry and Trevor Birch a cuddle and kiss, tell them everything will be alright, go for it, just don't expect a queue of fans behind you looking to pucker up to them.
If Derby get taken over, the battle doesn't stop their either, we need to be at the front of the push for an independent regulator and that's not going to see us on their Christmas card list this year, but who cares?
They don't care about us, we're the ones being affected by all this, so it's time to stop showing so much compassion for an organisation that actively pushing us into extinction.
/rant.

That's a good point. And we know they're impartial because they told us they are.

I didn't think they could given DCFC are in admin? Goes against insolvency law unless a court deems it permissable?

To those of you in despair or anger over today's announcement, stop.  However hard that may be try and stop. Think positive thoughts, deep breathe, talk, write on here, open the wine or whisky, kiss the spouse and children or dog, whatever it takes.  It was always going to be something along the lines we have heard and it is not (yet) bad news.  It could even be good news.
Every single negotiation I have been involved in - and there has been a fair few over my career much larger than that of our football club, though none as complex - has had one feature.  They’ve all gone down to the wire.  Every single one.  It’s human nature - all sides think they can squeeze a little extra.  Think Brexit (or every single negotiation with the EU ever).  We knew what was going to have to happen months and months and months out (and it’s still not finished) yet there they all were at one minute to midnight (and beyond) negotiating away, deadlines being pushed back and changed, deals being done, compromises reached. Think Northern Ireland or South Africa, Unicef or the United Nations. They’re all the same.
Our deal is about as complex as those given all the parties involved and all their different interests. There is no single ‘truth’ just as many truths as there are parties in the game. Cans will continue to be kicked down the road until the end game is reached and perhaps, just maybe, we are closer to the end game than we were this morning.  This is good news because it concentrates minds.  It’s also harder on us, who have considerable skin in the game but no direct involvement in the negotiations.
The reason we might now be in the end game come February 28th, is because that is when the Administrators say they run out of money.  At that point I suspect they have to liquidate us.  They can’t raise enough money by selling players in the next 4 days (which is good news) to run to the end of the season; they might be able to borrow funds but I suspect that option is reducing so I guess they are running out of options other than to agree a PB and get some funding that way.
The PBs will know that too and, if they stay interested, and why wouldn’t they having got this far, their opportunity to squeeze the deal is coming.
The incompetent EFL and their assorted hangers on are also having their minds concentrated.  I genuinely don’t believe the EFL want us out of business - there’s too much trouble for them in renegotiating the Championship table - not only prize money but also promotion and relegation.  We’ve taken good points off top teams; lost to lower teams - they’ll all have a claim in the outcome.  And by the end of February there will still be 30 points or so to play for, enough to change positions in the final table enough for our results to still influence.
So too Mel.  I don’t believe that he wants us to go out of business but he has a part to play and that will feed into his ego as well as his bank balance.  I have no idea how much he is currently worth, almost certainly a lot more than I am, but he has clearly signalled for a long time that his years of largesse were at an end so I would guess that he has much less than we all think he does and what he used to have. His is emotional attachment as well as financial.  So I don’t blame him one bit for continuing to have a role to play, if that is what he is doing (and none of us know).  And, unlike most I accept, I trust him still to do right by Derby County, despite the opprobium that goes his way.  We shall see.
But even when (if) a PB is announced, that is by no means the end of the game.  Negotiations will continue, possibly for months to come.  There will be good days and not so good. Cans will continue to be kicked but, hopefully, the immediate threat of liquidation will be temporarily lifted.  We will no longer have to think of Luton away as being our last match or Millwall as our last home match at Pride Park
We have a role - a really, really important one.  We have over the last 10 days successfully raised our case in all kinds of places that hadn’t thought of hearing or talking about us - Parliament, MPs, Council, BBC Breakfast, Talksport, Radio 5 Live, Radio 4 Today programme, national newspapers and all the rest.  Our job is to continue.  We HAVE to keep this going. They will all want to move on to the next big thing. Our job is to keep Derby County peacefully but consistently in the news. Keep the pressure on.   We need more from our local Radio station, our local celebrities and MPs; we need more from our councillors. We need to make the EFL and others understand the strength of feeling, feel the pressure again and again and again.  And we are the ones that can provide the pressure.

I'm sure they do all believe they are in the right. The point is at the moment we don't have any clarity on what the situation is: what exactly do the administrators want the EFL to do, for example? Why? Is there anything short of that that would achieve a satisfactory result? Is there a reasonable middle ground?  And so on for all the parties. A lot of us on this thread are doing little more than guessing, because we just don't have the information, and we haven't been party to discussions, and we don't know the legal situation, etc etc.
That's part of the reason that you are seeing some people on here blaming the EFL, and some blaming Gibson, and some blaming the administrators, and some blaming Mel, and some blaming Mel's-MP's-son's-fellow-panel-member.
Feels to me like if the MPs could get all these people (okay maybe not the panel member) in a room and get some answers, identify the real obstacles, and start suggesting ways forward, we might at least emerge with a clear picture of who needs to do what, and who is preventing us moving forward, and why.
Are the EFL or Gibson or even our administrators going to listen to a bunch of MPs telling them what to do? Maybe not. But if those MPs can clarify who is holding things up, and what they should be told to do, that would be a huge step forward. It gives all of us - fans, MPs, media figures, even government ministers - something specific to aim for. It allows everyone to apply pressure in the right place.
At the moment the only clear rally cry we all share is "Save Derby County!" And that's great, as far as it goes. But who? And how? It's not pressuring any specific person to take any specific action. It's the kind of thing everyone involved can agree with - even Gibson, I imagine. And that's very dangerous. We could all be shouting "Save Derby County!" as the club gets liquidated.
 

HMRC would also get more money if none of it goes to spurious claims from other clubs. 

Oh and the EFL are hell bent on us selling players to raise funds. 

For me this is exactly the issue.
The EFL are threatening withdrawal of the golden share as we can't get funding in for the rest of the season. This would make us worthless. The admins plan is for the funding to come from restructuring the debt and the new owners coming in. The EFL are forcing us to hear via arbitration the baseless and vexatious legal claims that haven't gone through a court of law and can't as we're in admin. EFL are forcing this as they believe all clubs deserve to have their claims heard and not allowing this to set a precedent. New owners don't want the risk of the arbitration going against us as the claims would turn into football debt, even though they aren't at the moment. We'd then be facing a further 15 point deduction next season which could relegate us to league two. 
EFL needs to come out and say to M and W they're not permitted to pursue their claims as the DC didn't offer them any compensation as the final decision (as per EFL rules) and that all future compensation decisions for clubs must be made at the DC hearings the sanctions are decided at.
It can't be that hard for EFL to do this. It's frustrating. On one hand, the EFL want to be the law, yet on the other, say they can't interfere. Which is it??

HMRC will get more money from Derby finding a buyer than from selling whatever playing squad we have left.

HMRC will get more money from Derby finding a buyer than from selling whatever playing squad we have left.

HMRC will get more money from Derby finding a buyer than from selling whatever playing squad we have left.

HMRC will get more money from Derby finding a buyer than from selling whatever playing squad we have left.

Oh and the EFL are hell bent on us selling players to raise funds. 

Interesting - these minutes WERE written by Quantuma (or the club secretary). I used to write them (then get reviewed), but since I haven't (personally) been at last 2 mtgs, Quantuma has written them (which may explain some delays in release...).
I read this as Quantuma as *they*.
One other point that has been raised with me. As they (Quantuma) have 3 QCs opionions - which is that the cases have no merit - than legally they CANNOT use funds from club to pay a settlement. That would be an incorrect use of funds from a business in administration and would be against the law for an administrator (they could be disbarred). This hasn't been formally said by the admins, but they have hinted at it reading between the lines. That makes their negotiating position pretty clear cut...

This is the biggest danger. It seems that Boro, the EFL, and likely Wycombe think the Admins are engaging in brinksmanship and will cave at the eleventh hour to save the club. That’s a hugely dangerous assumption. If they’re wrong, we’re finished, and it will lay squarely on the three of them.
A couple of days ago it was said that they were hating being perceived as the bad guys in this. That’s the angle to intensify on, make sure everyone knows who’s fault it’s going to be if we go under. Mel got us into this mess, but we’ve been punished for his transgressions already, the club being liquidated will entirely be the fault of Boro, of Wycombe, and through complicit collusion, the EFL.

lets get one thing straight here ...the EFL is not allowing us to be taken over due to pending claims from two parasite clubs both of which should not be happening whilst we are in admin
the EFL are allowing this to happen and could solve all of this tomorrow by saying that they have dealt with DCFC and given us points deductions and transfer embargoes.
But all the time they let the tail wag the dog with claims from parasite teams effectively stopping anyone buying the club we are going nowhere...Instead of trying to get 4 parties to agree Us,EFL, ParasiteFC1 and ParasiteFC2 which will be difficult just have some balls EFL and tell them we have been dealt with and acted on there advice and got paperwork in to the EFL's deadlines
Stop fannying around with our future...grow some balls and do what you're supposed to do and take governence of this situation then tell them that the EFL will deal directly with any misdemeanours and the buck stops with them....
 
This is what it will take so grow a pair EFL and you might actually go up in some people's estimations !!

I'm not an insolvency or administration legal expert, but i'd thought no legal proceedings can be brought or continued against a company in administration unless the admins agree or the court allows it. So if MFCs claim has not been upheld in court prior to admin and if the courts have not said it can continue, how can MFC or WW continue to press for it? Or is DCFC not in true administration in the eyes of the law?
https://www.lexisnexis.com/uk/lexispsl/restructuringandinsolvency/document/393781/55KG-P041-F18C-C0S4-00000-00/Claims_against_insolvent_companies_and_individuals_overview