Indy

Now we know what division we’re in, I hope everyone an crack on with finalising the deal, sorting contracts and getting things in place for next year.
 

Death by a thousand cuts and the pious hypocrisy of the EFL and Gibson have killed this off in the end. Could do with a break from the blazer boys club and hopefully the EFL will be disbanded and replaced with an independent body in the near future. 

44 minutes ago, 1967RAMS said:

It could be the brilliant atmosphere with plenty of drinks and singing in the streets 

Yep. Was excellent last play off final. 

8 minutes ago, inter politics said:

Yep, I was going to state the same thing. Pathetic. Someone who doesn't like us edited that supposed highlights package.

Just having a cry cos we ruined their planned televised coverage of Fulham’s promotion party. 

11 minutes ago, Heisenberg said:

Any truth or is this just a journalist based in the North East with obvious ties to Mike Ashley looking to cause some unrest in Kirchner's camp?

This smells like one of the false stories we were told to expect by Gerald Krasner. Obviously designed to unsettle the process and cause unrest - presumably to allow someone else to gazump. 

9 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

When will all this happen do you think.

I think these were proposals developed by Mel, partly to justify and explain a seemingly high value for the stadium.
 

But they do show a possible plan. I think this design relied on an extra tier being added to the East Stand, as the new building actually attached at that first floor level on a higher concourse. So probably only worth doing if/when we are looking at Premiership football. 

12 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

Well it had Toyota stand behind it.

Yeah. My bad, B4. I was remembering the other development pics with a plaza and extra tier on the east stand. 

1 hour ago, Boycie said:

No, it’s where the Clough and Taylor statues are, so knock them down and away we go.

Ah. That’s insane. I think I had this plan in my mind (which is attached to the East Stand, I think).

58 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

I am not happy if looks like that meaning for away games we wont be able park outside Toyota west stand.

Might be wrong, but I think that’s next to the East Stand. 

9 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

If we stay up then Kirchner should up his offer and we avod the 15 points deduction anyway.

Came here to say the same. If by some miracle we get the required points, CK would be a fool to withhold the difference and get a League One club instead of a Championship one. 

29 minutes ago, Cam the Ram said:

He's not even our owner yet and he's got another Championship club making statements to dispute him. At this rate rather than asking which clubs Derby or Derby affiliated people have pissed off, you'd get a quicker answer asking which clubs are left who we haven't. It's all a bit tiring ....

 

Meh. I’d consider being responsible for Ridsdale having a huff as a badge of honour. 

25 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Yep. We've just reached Weathertop. Not even got to Rivendell yet.

Just waiting for the end of the season where the Eagles swoop in and only carry off Plange. 

1 hour ago, ollycutts1982 said:

I used to love doing the nipple count on my break as a 16 year old. ??

^^ That’s you ruled out if you ever want to buy a club in a decade or so!!

6 minutes ago, Coconut's Beard said:

One of the posters saying that no bidder would risk the Boro claims was me, said people were living in fantasy land if they thought anyone would just tell Gibson to eff off, regardless that whether the claim seemed like (and was) baseless nonsense. 

You say the administrators didn't forsee that or deal with that quickly enough, but of course they did. Their idea to resolve it was cross-class cramp down - a perfectly valid legal solution, so why should they anticipate the EFL refusing it? Of course that's hindsight speaking!

Would love to know exactly what power you think they had to remove the claims any other way?  Oh right... talking to people more!

They could have clarified things with the EFL before the meeting, but then what? They'd still be at an impasse with no way forward until the claims were dealt with.

They could talk until they were blue in the face, but it wasn't in their gift to make Morris/Gibson come to an agreement, they can't force other people to act! 

Now the people living in fantasy land are the ones who are thinking that the administrators could have moved things along any quicker than they did up to the point of the EFL stealth-admitting they held a position in support of Boro (remember they claimed for months to know nothing of the claim!) and the actions taken by MM / Gibson.

The EFL/Gibson had a clear plan to keep all this running as long into January as possible. The damage caused by that is significant, resulting in further delays and problems that we are dealing with currently.

Not that I expect you to accept that as fact, given your stance in past discussions.

I'm not saying you criticism of Quantuma isn't valid, but I am still going to say you're being unrealistic in your expectations - as perhaps Quantuma have also been.

I agree with all of that. I would say that the EFL’s positions throughout have been the killer, as any reasonable assumption about them turned out to be false meaning planned solutions fell apart. This includes Mel thinking administration would get them off the club’s back as they would take their personal vendetta up with him, not engaging on the validity of Boro/Wycombe claims at any point, not raising the absence of Boro/Wycombe from the list of creditors last November (and waiting until Quantuma presented PB in January), rejecting the legal solution of a cross-class cramp down etc. And that’s without including the charges, appeals, secret embargoes etc from before last September. 

9 minutes ago, eccles the ram said:

Correct me if I am wrong but that undercover documentary on El Jeezera a few months ago about a takeover showed MM wanting still to be involved but be in the background! Still might happen but what do I know, or indeed the majority on here knows. It will come out eventually and i am not holding my breath that it's going to be clarified today! UTR

If I remember it correctly, and understood it, he was saying that it was an option to stay on board in a minor ownership capacity (less than 10%) as that would allow him to write off soft loans over a longer period (whilst he was an owner). So rather than have a one-off benefit to the balance sheet, It could be done over multiple years to give ongoing flexibility to stay under FFP limits.
 

No different to Stoke’s owners writing off a load this season, and doing the same thing in the future if they chose to. 

1 minute ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

Please just give us Appleby. 

Ashley and anyone else with hundreds of millions lying around could have bought us in a heartbeat six months ago. Instead, they’ve been dicking about and we’ve lost half our squad in the meantime.

Appleby strikes me as the only who who really, really wants this, and for the right reasons.

I’m a fan of Appleby. Talks a lot of sense. GSE ran a tight ship last time, which is what we need. If AA has been able to land a backer with serious funds, then that combination of proper business sense, a medium/long term plan, and secure funding would do me just fine. 

Looks like I’m not taking my 5 year old to the Fulham game, then!

11 hours ago, B4ev6is said:

I think the cut of point is 30th I think mate.

Unfortunately, I think @BodminRam is correct:

43           Registration of Players

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43.2        Subject always to the provisions of Regulation 43.3, after the expiry of each Transfer Window in each Season registrations of Players and transfers of registrations will, except as permitted in Regulation 57, be declined or will only be approved:

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43.3        Where any new registration or transfer of a Player is received by The League after 5pm on the fourth Thursday in March in each Season, that Player will not be eligible to play in any match organised by The League in that Season, except as permitted in Regulation 57.

Guidance

The fourth Thursday in March is the traditional ‘transfer deadline day’ and remains in place to ensure Clubs cannot add to their squad for the final remaining fixtures of a Season thus impacting on the integrity of the competition in those final stages.  This deadline is also used in other contexts – see for example the requirements on full strength sides in Regulation 24.1.

Academy Players will not be caught by this restriction in respect of non-first team matches.  However, Clubs will not be permitted to register an Academy Player after this date and then utilise him in League Matches.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/efl-regulations/section-6---players/

1 hour ago, Rev said:

I still think my finest was a sketch where a certain rotund Forest pundit called Benny Kurns had a bank using Crocodile clips and a selfie stick.  

Happy days.

Was just about to go to sleep. Now I’m scared to close my eyes in case that image pops into my head. 
 

Thanks, mate. 

Are we ever going to ditch the suicidal passing it around in our box unnecessarily?

Posh losing to a dodgy pen 

Absolute disgrace refereeing display, again. 

Sky saying we’ve been denied a stone cold penalty. 

37 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

Until the takeover no loan or signed players are allowed at PP, Their thought is, If we have money for wages this should be used to pay of creditors...not 100% sure tho.

Report here...talkSport tho ?‍♂️

https://talksport.com/football/efl/1020869/derby-county-transfer-embargo-wayne-rooney-championship/

I meant the business plan in place for the next year or two for after a takeover has happened. Fully admit that strict limits on a club in administration are to be expected.

2 hours ago, Unlucky Alf said:

The Reading Manager who was sacked was told the day before he'd be dismissed so was OK with taking the team duties that day, So announcing Ince when they did is no big deal.

I'm intreguided to find out if Reading have gone outside of their EFL plan especially with the loan signings, Yes the loan clubs sometimes agree to pay a % of their wages and this is maybe why Barnsley have written to the EFL and ask/complain

Am I right in thinking our business plan specifically forbids taking players in loan but only paying a percentage of wages (ie we have to pay the full amount)? If so, why is t the same applied to others? I know our situation is different to Reading’s, but I don’t see why that would mean we shouldn't be allowed to use the generosity of other clubs like other teams do when they have discounted loan wages, or delayed payments (like Fulham have for Wilson).

13 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Having to beat Cardiff on the last day of the season would make it our cup final. Before then - if Forest stuff Reading for us on Saturday we would really appreciate it. We know they love playing us really and would miss us if we dropped.

Three points for Forest could get them in the playoff spots with a couple of other results going the right way. They’ve got everything to play for.