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How do you define recover?
Best way to look at it I think is through the Clough years post the prem season. It probably took 3 years for Clough to bring in what you would consider his real ‘first choice’ targets and shape the side how he wanted to see it. After that it still took another 2 to shape those players in a settled system and could have taken another season before his sacking before we’d have seen them be a top side in the champ. 
So when you consider being on budgets and the market, Derby at the moment maybe not being a players first choice etc etc, I think you can realistically look at 5 years? For the squad to have a shape and to have a proper identity, so they are ready to challenge in the league above. 
Others things to consider is how long Ipswich were in League One, Sunderland too. Pompey and Bolton still down trying to build. The talk of it not being an easy fix isn’t just lip service, there should be nothing telling you that this was going to be a one season in league one. If we rush this then you risk doing what Sheffield Wednesday have become this season, cue a likely relegation and having to rebuild still.
Good question @Curtains, hope others put some proper consideration in to it

How do you define recover?
Best way to look at it I think is through the Clough years post the prem season. It probably took 3 years for Clough to bring in what you would consider his real ‘first choice’ targets and shape the side how he wanted to see it. After that it still took another 2 to shape those players in a settled system and could have taken another season before his sacking before we’d have seen them be a top side in the champ. 
So when you consider being on budgets and the market, Derby at the moment maybe not being a players first choice etc etc, I think you can realistically look at 5 years? For the squad to have a shape and to have a proper identity, so they are ready to challenge in the league above. 
Others things to consider is how long Ipswich were in League One, Sunderland too. Pompey and Bolton still down trying to build. The talk of it not being an easy fix isn’t just lip service, there should be nothing telling you that this was going to be a one season in league one. If we rush this then you risk doing what Sheffield Wednesday have become this season, cue a likely relegation and having to rebuild still.
Good question @Curtains, hope others put some proper consideration in to it

I can perhaps be over critical of Bird on occasion, but his ability to play one touch football improves this side no end and that was the major difference to Saturday. As @jono’s thread said the other day, pass and move!

He’s improved the spine of the side to why we had before
     Wildsmith
Nelson       Cashin
Smith        Fornah
         Bird
        Collins
You’d expect Hourihane to make his way in most likely for Smith at some point, Sibley and Thompson being around it too. Can’t see that Bradley won’t force his way in at some point yoo.
Rosenior didn’t get this right in midfield last season, Warne struggled last year too. By bringing Fornah and Nelson in he’s complimented what was there before, but it’s also more balanced.0
      

Oh also, I criticised Smith on Saturday but he proved me wrong tonight. Felt like Warne had probably had a word about passing forward and allowing himself to have a bit of swagger, which is something this whole side misses. Best performance for Derby so far, don’t think you’d find many better individual midfield performances in this league.

I can perhaps be over critical of Bird on occasion, but his ability to play one touch football improves this side no end and that was the major difference to Saturday. As @jono’s thread said the other day, pass and move!

UNLEASH KOREY SMITH!

I can perhaps be over critical of Bird on occasion, but his ability to play one touch football improves this side no end and that was the major difference to Saturday. As @jono’s thread said the other day, pass and move!

He’s improved the spine of the side to why we had before
     Wildsmith
Nelson       Cashin
Smith        Fornah
         Bird
        Collins
You’d expect Hourihane to make his way in most likely for Smith at some point, Sibley and Thompson being around it too. Can’t see that Bradley won’t force his way in at some point yoo.
Rosenior didn’t get this right in midfield last season, Warne struggled last year too. By bringing Fornah and Nelson in he’s complimented what was there before, but it’s also more balanced.0
      

I can perhaps be over critical of Bird on occasion, but his ability to play one touch football improves this side no end and that was the major difference to Saturday. As @jono’s thread said the other day, pass and move!

Oh also, I criticised Smith on Saturday but he proved me wrong tonight. Felt like Warne had probably had a word about passing forward and allowing himself to have a bit of swagger, which is something this whole side misses. Best performance for Derby so far, don’t think you’d find many better individual midfield performances in this league.

UNLEASH KOREY SMITH!

I can perhaps be over critical of Bird on occasion, but his ability to play one touch football improves this side no end and that was the major difference to Saturday. As @jono’s thread said the other day, pass and move!

Top performance that & an excellent result
Korey Smith's best game for us surely - oozed class on the ball, got through plenty of defensive work & thoroughly deserved his goal. Bird was obviously just coming back from injury but some sublime touches from him - along with Fornah, made for a very effective midfield even though Blackpool kept the ball very well at times. Lads at the back were also immense - Cashin & Nelson very strong, Nyambe continues to really impress & Forsyth did well against CJ Hamilton's pace.
Fantastic options off the bench too - Barkhuizen, Waghorn, Sibley, Hourihane & Bradley and all contributed to getting us over the line. Now injuries are starting to clear up, it's time for us to start stringing together results & firmly embed ourselves in the top 6.
Fans class tonight by the way - well done everyone who travelled. Made a right racket 👏🐏

Where's your bloody poll now haters?

UNLEASH KOREY SMITH!

I think the title sums it up how I think certain fans think. 
No matter what happened, Nigel Clough was never good enough for Derby County. No matter what will happen, Paul Warne will never be seen as good enough for Derby County. 
Clough reset the club after the worst season any of us could imagine, it took time on a limited budget but he lay the path for what Mclaren should have achieved. Warne is the next one trying to build something long term.
Sorry, I just don’t get the entitlement

I think the title sums it up how I think certain fans think. 
No matter what happened, Nigel Clough was never good enough for Derby County. No matter what will happen, Paul Warne will never be seen as good enough for Derby County. 
Clough reset the club after the worst season any of us could imagine, it took time on a limited budget but he lay the path for what Mclaren should have achieved. Warne is the next one trying to build something long term.
Sorry, I just don’t get the entitlement

Rosenior did not reset the club in the few months he was in charge Roy, he got a team together to start last season.

I think the title sums it up how I think certain fans think. 
No matter what happened, Nigel Clough was never good enough for Derby County. No matter what will happen, Paul Warne will never be seen as good enough for Derby County. 
Clough reset the club after the worst season any of us could imagine, it took time on a limited budget but he lay the path for what Mclaren should have achieved. Warne is the next one trying to build something long term.
Sorry, I just don’t get the entitlement

First time I’ve been able to get to a home game this season and first off I do believe you get a better perspective at games than what you do on RamsTV or the radio.
On RamsTV, I’ve seen a side who are trying to the right things but it coming off and felt they are being unlucky and it’ll all fall into place. At the game, I see a side who miss opportunities to pass and how important a split seconds hesitation is in terms of getting a opposition player out of position and being able to take advantage of the space created. I really like Smith as a footballer, but I saw yesterday how one footed he is and that it can slow the play down as he needs to get it on his right before passing. A few times the gap for Nyambe was lost because the ball didn’t get to him quick enough.
Smith wasn’t the only culprit, the forward line itself seem to lack any sort of nous or ability to anticipate what is going to happen in a phase of play. A ball comes across the box and Barkhuizen is behind the defender at an angle the player can’t possibly cross at, Waghorn generally running around no man’s land. We got in really good positions yesterday but players have to take care of the ball better, have composure and gamble on instinct a lot more than what we are doing.
The big thing I’d want to put across in this, is that players aren’t taking responsibility with the ball. Mendez-Laing in the first minute, the defender has handed it on a plate for him and he’s seen as our main threat. He’s through on goal and can’t get the ball out of his feet, can’t get away from the defenders and places a poor pass to Barkhuizen. Those chances set up the rest of the game, we miss and we continue to struggle to open a real opportunity until we started to look defeated around the 70th minute mark. NML isn’t the only one, I don’t see anyone who is getting hold of the ball, once again gambling on what is happening and the positions of the opposition players. Radio Derby pretty much summed it up in there very good post match coverage yesterday, have we really replaced McGoldrick and how much did his ability cover up for the rest of them?
From what I saw, I don’t see Warne as the issue here. Yes it’s ultimately his responsibility ofcourse. But I do see a style of play that is attacking and what is trying to get forward, but I thought the players let him down yesterday and I dare say that’s been the issue so far this season. But they don’t look clueless, and there’s a huge difference when a team is trying to do the right things and not because when you do the right things it eventually will fall into place.
My one big criticism of Warne is in his post match comments when he’s going ‘oh we played well and x played well’ and…I get what he’s doing in being a bit annoyed after Carlisle and then maybe trying to be over positive after yesterday to encourage the players, but you can’t pull the wool over Derby fans eyes and it’s something he needs to learn. I don’t mean this disrespectfully but we aren’t Rotherham and 18,000 fans might listen to your post match interview, at Derby you are going to get 50,000 at least and half of them know what they saw. You have to be truthful and think about how you want to say something because when it comes out wrong then it gets peoples backs up. We didn’t play bad yesterday, but we didn’t play well either and you have to at least admit that we need to play better just to appease those that are coming to home games. 
That’s my thoughts overall, I think the players need to take responsibility ultimately and I think Warne will get there but let’s be honest and say yesterday wasn’t good enough.
 

First time I’ve been able to get to a home game this season and first off I do believe you get a better perspective at games than what you do on RamsTV or the radio.
On RamsTV, I’ve seen a side who are trying to the right things but it coming off and felt they are being unlucky and it’ll all fall into place. At the game, I see a side who miss opportunities to pass and how important a split seconds hesitation is in terms of getting a opposition player out of position and being able to take advantage of the space created. I really like Smith as a footballer, but I saw yesterday how one footed he is and that it can slow the play down as he needs to get it on his right before passing. A few times the gap for Nyambe was lost because the ball didn’t get to him quick enough.
Smith wasn’t the only culprit, the forward line itself seem to lack any sort of nous or ability to anticipate what is going to happen in a phase of play. A ball comes across the box and Barkhuizen is behind the defender at an angle the player can’t possibly cross at, Waghorn generally running around no man’s land. We got in really good positions yesterday but players have to take care of the ball better, have composure and gamble on instinct a lot more than what we are doing.
The big thing I’d want to put across in this, is that players aren’t taking responsibility with the ball. Mendez-Laing in the first minute, the defender has handed it on a plate for him and he’s seen as our main threat. He’s through on goal and can’t get the ball out of his feet, can’t get away from the defenders and places a poor pass to Barkhuizen. Those chances set up the rest of the game, we miss and we continue to struggle to open a real opportunity until we started to look defeated around the 70th minute mark. NML isn’t the only one, I don’t see anyone who is getting hold of the ball, once again gambling on what is happening and the positions of the opposition players. Radio Derby pretty much summed it up in there very good post match coverage yesterday, have we really replaced McGoldrick and how much did his ability cover up for the rest of them?
From what I saw, I don’t see Warne as the issue here. Yes it’s ultimately his responsibility ofcourse. But I do see a style of play that is attacking and what is trying to get forward, but I thought the players let him down yesterday and I dare say that’s been the issue so far this season. But they don’t look clueless, and there’s a huge difference when a team is trying to do the right things and not because when you do the right things it eventually will fall into place.
My one big criticism of Warne is in his post match comments when he’s going ‘oh we played well and x played well’ and…I get what he’s doing in being a bit annoyed after Carlisle and then maybe trying to be over positive after yesterday to encourage the players, but you can’t pull the wool over Derby fans eyes and it’s something he needs to learn. I don’t mean this disrespectfully but we aren’t Rotherham and 18,000 fans might listen to your post match interview, at Derby you are going to get 50,000 at least and half of them know what they saw. You have to be truthful and think about how you want to say something because when it comes out wrong then it gets peoples backs up. We didn’t play bad yesterday, but we didn’t play well either and you have to at least admit that we need to play better just to appease those that are coming to home games. 
That’s my thoughts overall, I think the players need to take responsibility ultimately and I think Warne will get there but let’s be honest and say yesterday wasn’t good enough.