NottsRam77
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11 minutes ago, JfR said:
I'd agree with @RadioactiveWaste that, reasonably, you'd have to imagine it'll be soon, but it's anyone's guess, really. The first case had the written reasons published a day after the findings, but we're already over a week late on this one. I suppose a lot of it depends on how much the EFL jumped the gun by when they published the sanction originally.
That’s what I was thinking I’m sure the details followed quite quickly first time round
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1 hour ago, JfR said:
14 days after the written reasons are published
Then it will be however long they want to drag the actual process out forThankyou
without meaning to bombard u with questions but how long do we expect the details to come out over the fine
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Does anyone know how long the efl actually have got to appeal this latest result ?
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10 hours ago, Oldben said:
Ultimately Derby need a working relationship with the efl.
It wasn't the fault of the efl, that Derby did the amortisation.
The real unfairness is the parachute payments to clubs relegated from the Premier league.
These payments make fair competition in the championship impossible.
So clubs who are not given an equal shout, take risks in an attempt to compete.
The efl want to be seen to have power.
At the moment the efl are reflecting on either taking points from the club, but with a transfer embargo on buying players and not paying high wages for free agents means Derby could be relegated next season instead of this. They have basically put Derby in a place where nothing works for them.
If Wycombe stay in the championship instead of Derby, Wycombe will be relegated next season, they don't have the fan levels of Derby nor the ability to fairly spend enough to compete with the other teams in the championship.
Wycombe are rubbish, don't see how they are meant to get better.
If Derby are relegated they will lose an estimated 10 million a year, as opposed to Wycombe 2 million a year.
If Derby are relegated, Mel could expect to sell Derby for 20 million, who would pay more.
Wycombe are estimated to be worth 7 million.
To quote
“Derby did the amortisation”….. that the efl signed off for 3 years
should be end of story really
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8 hours ago, Brammie Steve said:
Preying?
Good use of semantics!
Lots of non DCFC supporters are using every possible means at their disposal to prey on the Rams in the hope of totally destroying them by fair means and foul!
U would think we have more collectively to worry about than my misfiring autocorrect wouldn’t you lol
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On 29/06/2021 at 15:25, Spanish said:
yep need to see the DC2 verdict to see the reasoning why £100k is appropriate
Does it suggest though if u compare it to say Leeds 200k plus fine for standing on a ladder and watching training games that the DC2 think that what we’ve done is pretty low key
which it is the case I’m hoping /preying they will be pretty damming of the efl which again i am hoping / preying will put them off yet another appeal
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15 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:
Because of how P&S works, I've only estimated them to be only £5m over the limit for that period.
Reading are another club on Mr Pop's naughty step. His attention will likely be focused on them when our case is finally closed.
If that was the case … what punishment would we expect
before any appeal from .. as @86 Hair Islandsrightly says in the absence of a crystal ball being available to the club
if they are going to punish us retrospectively then surely we have a v strong case that had we known or been told our practices were wrong we could have adjusted/changed our method and our ongoing transfer policy
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23 minutes ago, r4derby said:
That midfield is good enough, on their day. The full backs are good enough. Dare I say it, the goalie is good enough. We know where we’re short, let’s hope we can get in some reinforcements soon!
Midfield looks lightweight with bugger all control or creativity lol
apart from that it’s bang on
I like knight … but I won’t lie at this stage of his career he needs to be managed into the first 11 not thrown in and relied upon in numerous positions
it wasn’t good for him and it wasn’t good for us IMO
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Am I right in thinking we’re still awaiting the full reasoning behind the 100k fine
Surely this could be absolutely key in if or not the efl can appeal
if the panel lambast the efl then surely they can’t go at us again … well we know they can and probably will but u know what I mean
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2 hours ago, 86 Hair Islands said:
Honestly buddy, I'm not entirely sure. My gut feeling is that we may end up footing at least a portion of the bill and I think I saw a figure of around £2 million mentioned somewhere. The gift that keeps on giving, huh!
God we really are, arnt we.
It’s just draining isn’t it
feels like a slow death
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9 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:
I think Mel underestimated the pettiness and egotistical nature of the EFL board when he wrote to all the EFL member clubs to gather support for an increased share of the media monies pot. They've waited a long time to get their pound of flesh but even they must be beginning to understand that they are now starting to look a tad foolish and vindictive.
I totally agree that the highlighted section above is still a possibility but they will be on a sticky wicket if they do bring further charges unless their case is copper-bottomed as I believe were they again to fail, the club would then be in a very strong position to sue them for damages. I'd also be 99% certain that were we to do so, given civil courts would asses the case rather than the kangaroo court that is the EFL, not only would we win the case, but we would also be entitled to substantial compensation.
It's also questionable whether other member clubs really want to continue footing the bill for these endless charges and appeal processes. By now, only the likes of Gibson will be evaluating the evidence and surmising we've done anything wrong. With times as tough as they are, why throw good money after bad? I hope and believe that this is finally over but as you say, this is the EFL we're dealing with so we will have to wait a little longer before we get to raise and glasses with a 'duck you very much' toast to the EFL.
Agree and hope your right
only thing I would question … purely playing devils advocate
Wycombe seem to have decided to have a very vested interest in what happens … so that’s Gibson and then trying to hunt us down
the other thing is costs
because we were effectively found guilty to that one charge … does that mean court fees are paid by us too .. ironically probably more than the fine we were actually handed … so my question and a genuine one is how much has this actually cost the efl ?
at they good to keep going at is in that respect ?
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42 minutes ago, Eatonram said:
I think all fans including Muespach listen to the Rams Review podcast with Kieran Maguire. It is very enlightening.
Can u link it I can’t find it on apple poscasts
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40 minutes ago, Eatonram said:
I think all fans including Muespach listen to the Rams Review podcast with Kieran Maguire. It is very enlightening.
Good or bad enlightening?
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6 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:
We need a respected sports journalist to put some time looking into all this and then write a damning article about the EFL. This has descended beyond chronic incompetence it is now nothing short of victimisation.
I repeat what I said on another thread. At this moment in time it is not established if we gained an unfair advantage regarding FFP as our revised accounts have not been submitted, so put that in the pending file! Regarding our lack of clarity in declaring out unique but legal amortisation policy we have been found guilty on appeal and fined £100k. End of!!
What the heck are Wycombe on about? IF and its a big IF we eventually fail FFP when our accounts are submitted then blame the EFL for taking too long to sort it out but what has that got to do with DCFC?
This …great post bang on mate
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1 hour ago, Bob The Badger said:
I put about $2k into BTC and Ethereum about two years ago and a mate did too at the same time.
All we ever said to each other was, 'leave it in, leave it in, leave it in' and 'don't panic, don't panic, don't panic'
We knew it was a long term thing.
Well, we knew that until the market started to slide and we were both spending hours a day tracking it and talking about it.
I'm proud to say he panicked and took all his out a full 12 hours before me.
On that $2k I made about $200 on ETC and lost about $200 on BTC.
I haven't looked in the last month or two, but at one stage that $2k would have been worth $5k if I hadn't had my spine replaced by a box of jelly fish.
Love that though … I was the same in 2017 … balls dropped and my back in went
bought at the then high … naively… if I had held I would have trebled my money in this cycles high.
Not making the same mistake twice
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It is a bit more than that though in my eyes … it’s not simply a bet
it has a use case … a store of value in a rapidly moving digital world
it also has a finite amount that can ever be minted with a set end date.
forget all the others … maybe bar eth that has so many projects going off on its stupid
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I remember as a kid pre season was about signing Andy comyn and Simon Coleman
it wasn’t headline grabbing but it was nice ….
I miss that
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19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:
Their point is that the EFL should have sorted all this out before the end of the season. That is the 'timing' that Wycombe are arguing about. If our punishment (which will obviously be a points deduction according to them!) had happened mid season they would still be in the division and we'd be down.
Dam right it should have been sorted out before the seasons end
it should have sorted out ages ago
we should have had a January to trade freely not be hampered by a soft embargo
Derby go into a January window needing players to stay up if we had been able to pick up players from the start of it we wouldn’t have left it til the final 24hours when the embargo was lifted to pick up whatever dregs we’re left over
they have a weak case imo
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What the actual duck has all this got to do with Wycombe anyhow
our alleged offences were during a time they had duck all to do with the championship
they’re just trying to piggy back off a load of Twitter and fB anti Derby crap
tin pot nothing club
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8 minutes ago, Long Time Lurker said:
Eaton Ram's reference to Rams Trust has made me wonder whether we could get something out of the EFL through a letter along the lines of the one sent to the Club recently signed by Rams Trust, Punjabi Rams, Ryan Hills etc. The letter could ask the EFL:
- How their approach meets with their stated aim of protecting clubs, particularly in respect of Derby. Can they give any examples of where they have acted in good faith towards the club?
- What reassurances they can offer to DCFC staff whose jobs are under threat through the continued uncertainty
- Can they explain why an accounting technicality should lead to people losing their livelihoods, even when those people have had nothing to do with accounting procedures etc
- Is it their intention to continually appeal against any decision that does not go their way? If so, can the explain the moral justification for such an approach?
- Can they also provide justification for deciding to reject an accounting practice that they had previously accepted when signing off the accounts? Do they feel any responsibility for having made what they now seem to consider an error, and if so what redress are they making as a result?
- what, if any responsibility, do they feel towards the fans of DCFC, and do they understand the effect their actions are having on at least some of them?
- They have been reported to be keen to see Derby relegated. Can they explain to the Derby fanbase whether this is in fact the case, and if so, their justification for acting in such a way?
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I think a letter coming from specific groups rather than an individual stands a better chance of getting a response. That response is very likely to be that it's all Derby's fault, and that people will lose their jobs etc due to the clubs actions etc, they have to be fair to the other clubs blah blah. However, it may be worth a try?
What a bloody good post and idea
can we make this happen ?
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36 minutes ago, LondonRam2 said:
That sums it up nicely. Nothing illegal, a loophole exploited at the most, up to the EFL to tighten the rules if they don't like it, it's completely unacceptable to punish a club just because they failed to close their own loophole before!
Sack the EFL!
That is exactly as I see it
Were being punished retrospectively
so if punished ….. can we legitimately claim had we known or been told what we were doing was wrong we would have changed the way we accounted and altered our transfer policy accordingly
i still don’t see why that they said for 3 sets of accounts they said it was ok , no problem to then try and punish us retrospectively cos someone (probably Gibson) doesn’t like it.
it’s a big joke that the media are loving
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4 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:
Seeing as we were a division or two above them for the years relating this supposed discrepancy and seeing as last year our running costs would have been well within limits, not forgetting they got relegated because they had a 20 stone carthorse up front they can **** off.
As they've accused Derby County of systematic cheating despite us declaring our calculation variance years ago and this process still be ongoing and are effectively making a veiled threat to push us into administration, my immediate thought would be sue them instead and turn there shed into a car park. Wycombe Wanderers not worth the **** of our shoe.
The thing is the efl have just stood by and allowed this media circus to spiral
basically someone somewhere , that twit at boro probably put the idea in their heads that they had a case to claim against us to further fuel gibsons drive to make us pay for him hiring Paulis to spunk away his millions
the efl arnt fit for purpose and it worries me they’re allowing in fact stiring the media / social as well into thinking we’ve “cheated” things like the interchangeable fixture list .. just add fuel to the fire
a clear and concise statement would have been the right thing to do
not this endless circus
Abu Derby 2.0?
in Derby County Forum
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Isn’t that what shake n vac does and for a pittance of the price