Jourdan

We looked in a really good place in pre-season but everyone saw that we needed to continue our work in the transfer market and improve the blend and balance of the team. We haven’t done that and we are paying the price for that.
We do have to be patient because realistically the club is not in a financial position to rip up Warne’s contract or even in a good bargaining position to attract a new manager.
I think the only way this improves is if Warne takes a long, hard look and accepts that changes need to be made because with each passing game, goodwill is rapidly diminishing.

Another performance and result that is impossible to defend.
Warne can have success here but he has to help himself and make the job less difficult than it needs to be. He has tried three at the back in three separate spells and each time it has been clear that it is not the optimal set up for the players available.
I really hope he assesses the opening games and understands that being intent on imposing a style of play and a system will only hamper his chances of being successful here.
Three at the back can work. Plymouth, Ipswich, Wednesday all succeeded with it last season. However they also had the freedom and flexibility in the transfer market to make it work and bring in the right profile of player to tweak it and evolve it - players with a mix of presence, pace, power and dynamism - and over time achieve the right balance.
This is a luxury we simply don’t have. We are still under restrictions and still under a business plan, so sadly our transfer business at this point looks painfully inadequate and incomplete.
If our budget is limited and our squad is small and there is little to no scope to improve it, Warne has to be wise to that and make the necessary changes and get the players in a system that might not be perfect but is at least workable.
Persisting with the current set up will only see support desert him from all directions.
 

Another performance and result that is impossible to defend.
Warne can have success here but he has to help himself and make the job less difficult than it needs to be. He has tried three at the back in three separate spells and each time it has been clear that it is not the optimal set up for the players available.
I really hope he assesses the opening games and understands that being intent on imposing a style of play and a system will only hamper his chances of being successful here.
Three at the back can work. Plymouth, Ipswich, Wednesday all succeeded with it last season. However they also had the freedom and flexibility in the transfer market to make it work and bring in the right profile of player to tweak it and evolve it - players with a mix of presence, pace, power and dynamism - and over time achieve the right balance.
This is a luxury we simply don’t have. We are still under restrictions and still under a business plan, so sadly our transfer business at this point looks painfully inadequate and incomplete.
If our budget is limited and our squad is small and there is little to no scope to improve it, Warne has to be wise to that and make the necessary changes and get the players in a system that might not be perfect but is at least workable.
Persisting with the current set up will only see support desert him from all directions.
 

Maybe they've just all had their heads turned again.

You must be in near permanent agony.....

Please see a doctor if you are vomiting blue squares.

I'm not saying we are stronger, I'm just saying you need to give the season some time before conclusions like that are drawn.
Have some faith and let's see where we are in a month or two when we have a bigger picture.

Well, seeing as this is a rumour mill…
 

Maybe it’s just me but I can’t think of a period of Derby’s history that I’d be less interested to revisit.
I mean, if I’m honest, I want to forget it!

It was obvious from the matchday thread last night that there were posters on here whom would take great delight for us as a club to lose the next x amount of games to:-
(a) justify their own personal predujices against Warne and
(b) make him more likely to be removed from his job, see previous point above. 
Could never get my head around why a so called supporter would want their team to lose a game. Weird. 

How can it be clear that we are worse than last season after 1 league game? 

Nobody is saying we shouldn't be aiming for promotion, or that we should just "sit back and accept failure."
The point is we're 1 league game into a season and people are literally saying that this is last chance saloon for the manager. If that isn't being an impatient ingrate then I don't know what is.
I have no problem with people criticising the manager or the players. They deserve it. But going overboard and saying there should be managerial change now is, frankly, moronic. 

I don't think anyone is realistically saying Warne is immune from criticism, just that it would be sensible to stick with a manager for a while rather than sacking him early on with money we don't have.
For what it's worth I can see why people think PW is a bit limited, but if we wanted a manager with a proven record in this division we couldn't really have appointed anyone better (at least that we could afford or would want to leave another job for us).
Warne might be limited but so is Neil Warnock, yet if you want to navigate the Championship he's the man you go to.

Saturday was not the first or the last time we'll drop points this season. Every other team will drop points. Having a tantrum and screaming about Warne over one league defeat is unhelpful. And let's be real, that's mostly what this is. Some people have put valid concerns forward about style of play, but there are many people just using any excuse for a dig at Warne. 
We have 45 games to go. If we're good enough to go up, we've ample time to prove it. If we're not, then Warne has failed, and it was about more than just the Wigan game. 

Let’s see where we are by the end of December.
Writing a manager and a reshaped squad off after two games is bonkers.
We have had the worst start imaginable, but we have time to grow and improve.
This is the biggest test of Warne’s career and his reputation will live or die with what he does in the coming weeks and months to remedy the situation.
I remember leaving Plainmoor after Torquay away last season wondering where the season was headed. Weeks later, we were in the midst of a long unbeaten run and looking inspired. So there’s no reason to think there can’t be a turnaround.
This is a time for calm and for Warne to show his ability to pinpoint problems and make fixes to get the blend right.
If that means dropping one of Smith, Bird or Hourihane to insert an attacking player into the mix, OK. If that means dropping star signing Bradley to reunite Cashin and Forsyth at the back, so be it.
The concern for me is if we see the same XI and the same approach as we did v Wigan. I understand set ups have teething problems but we can’t really afford to write off games while the players settle into a system. It’s not even looked 70-80% of the way to being right, after all.
We have to show some bravery and adaptability.

Let’s see where we are by the end of December.
Writing a manager and a reshaped squad off after two games is bonkers.
We have had the worst start imaginable, but we have time to grow and improve.
This is the biggest test of Warne’s career and his reputation will live or die with what he does in the coming weeks and months to remedy the situation.
I remember leaving Plainmoor after Torquay away last season wondering where the season was headed. Weeks later, we were in the midst of a long unbeaten run and looking inspired. So there’s no reason to think there can’t be a turnaround.
This is a time for calm and for Warne to show his ability to pinpoint problems and make fixes to get the blend right.
If that means dropping one of Smith, Bird or Hourihane to insert an attacking player into the mix, OK. If that means dropping star signing Bradley to reunite Cashin and Forsyth at the back, so be it.
The concern for me is if we see the same XI and the same approach as we did v Wigan. I understand set ups have teething problems but we can’t really afford to write off games while the players settle into a system. It’s not even looked 70-80% of the way to being right, after all.
We have to show some bravery and adaptability.

Let’s see where we are by the end of December.
Writing a manager and a reshaped squad off after two games is bonkers.
We have had the worst start imaginable, but we have time to grow and improve.
This is the biggest test of Warne’s career and his reputation will live or die with what he does in the coming weeks and months to remedy the situation.
I remember leaving Plainmoor after Torquay away last season wondering where the season was headed. Weeks later, we were in the midst of a long unbeaten run and looking inspired. So there’s no reason to think there can’t be a turnaround.
This is a time for calm and for Warne to show his ability to pinpoint problems and make fixes to get the blend right.
If that means dropping one of Smith, Bird or Hourihane to insert an attacking player into the mix, OK. If that means dropping star signing Bradley to reunite Cashin and Forsyth at the back, so be it.
The concern for me is if we see the same XI and the same approach as we did v Wigan. I understand set ups have teething problems but we can’t really afford to write off games while the players settle into a system. It’s not even looked 70-80% of the way to being right, after all.
We have to show some bravery and adaptability.

Let’s see where we are by the end of December.
Writing a manager and a reshaped squad off after two games is bonkers.
We have had the worst start imaginable, but we have time to grow and improve.
This is the biggest test of Warne’s career and his reputation will live or die with what he does in the coming weeks and months to remedy the situation.
I remember leaving Plainmoor after Torquay away last season wondering where the season was headed. Weeks later, we were in the midst of a long unbeaten run and looking inspired. So there’s no reason to think there can’t be a turnaround.
This is a time for calm and for Warne to show his ability to pinpoint problems and make fixes to get the blend right.
If that means dropping one of Smith, Bird or Hourihane to insert an attacking player into the mix, OK. If that means dropping star signing Bradley to reunite Cashin and Forsyth at the back, so be it.
The concern for me is if we see the same XI and the same approach as we did v Wigan. I understand set ups have teething problems but we can’t really afford to write off games while the players settle into a system. It’s not even looked 70-80% of the way to being right, after all.
We have to show some bravery and adaptability.

Let’s see where we are by the end of December.
Writing a manager and a reshaped squad off after two games is bonkers.
We have had the worst start imaginable, but we have time to grow and improve.
This is the biggest test of Warne’s career and his reputation will live or die with what he does in the coming weeks and months to remedy the situation.
I remember leaving Plainmoor after Torquay away last season wondering where the season was headed. Weeks later, we were in the midst of a long unbeaten run and looking inspired. So there’s no reason to think there can’t be a turnaround.
This is a time for calm and for Warne to show his ability to pinpoint problems and make fixes to get the blend right.
If that means dropping one of Smith, Bird or Hourihane to insert an attacking player into the mix, OK. If that means dropping star signing Bradley to reunite Cashin and Forsyth at the back, so be it.
The concern for me is if we see the same XI and the same approach as we did v Wigan. I understand set ups have teething problems but we can’t really afford to write off games while the players settle into a system. It’s not even looked 70-80% of the way to being right, after all.
We have to show some bravery and adaptability.

To me, the idea that PW is or would feel like he is under any pressure after only 2 games of a season is laughable.
So many on here need to give their heads a wobble and look at the situation we are in, and more realistically set their standards. PW won't be (and doesn't deserve to be) sacked anytime soon. I do think he should move away from a back 3, but calling for his head in early August is farcical.

Can you only have your head turned by moves the press knows about?

If I had one warne question at this point it would be , have we been top heavy on fitness pre season with not enough on organisation , shape and patterns of play , of course I could be way off the mark but it’s my very simplistic nod to what I’ve seen with my own eyes and heard on commo over the two opening games 🤷🏻‍♂️

The results and performances are tough to take, but hopefully Warne and his team learn from this and make the necessary changes and push for the necessary signings.
It doesn’t look good so far, but some of the posts on here are extremely reactionary and exaggerated.
Yes, what we have tried so far hasn’t worked. You can see that both pro and anti Warne camps are in agreement there. No-one is in denial. It’s the worst start imaginable.
However it is a very recoverable position, so do you abandon a manager and his project on the basis of two games and 180 minutes of meaningful football with a reshaped squad?
Seasons and fates are not defined by two games. Wins v Burton, Oxford and Fleetwood would present a totally different picture.
We need to stay calm and Warne needs to deliver a response and quickly.

The results and performances are tough to take, but hopefully Warne and his team learn from this and make the necessary changes and push for the necessary signings.
It doesn’t look good so far, but some of the posts on here are extremely reactionary and exaggerated.
Yes, what we have tried so far hasn’t worked. You can see that both pro and anti Warne camps are in agreement there. No-one is in denial. It’s the worst start imaginable.
However it is a very recoverable position, so do you abandon a manager and his project on the basis of two games and 180 minutes of meaningful football with a reshaped squad?
Seasons and fates are not defined by two games. Wins v Burton, Oxford and Fleetwood would present a totally different picture.
We need to stay calm and Warne needs to deliver a response and quickly.

It's the league cup first round anf they've thrown in a stinker, which after losing at home on the first day isn't a great look. Lets not panic and it's a long old season.
But on the other hand....