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I think I posted on here at the time a few days before it transpired, that Rooney probably did want to stay,but his going was inevitable.  When Chris Kirchner was "supposedly" going to buy us Rooney was all in on the idea - and seemed fully on board. Had that not have been fairy dust of a fraudster, I suspect he would have done.  
When that fell through, WR was somewhat tainted by it (I doubt any of which was his fault).   Then when Clowes put his bid in and it was accepted, Rooney must have seen (or been advised) that there was no way Clowes was going to want to pay managerial salaries at that level (for an inexperienced manager, but with top level playing experience).
Clowes clearly wanted us to be normal - rather than Wayne Rooney/Frank Lampard's Derby.  In those instances, it was both inevitable that he was going to leave - and he got to make the decision himself.  

A fair comment, but I just don't think we know what his football is like.  At this level, we are never going to pay to get Championship level players (more than just a few) as the risk of failure is too large.  He has to do what he can with what he has - means justify ends, and we need(ed) promotion.  
Should we be promoted on Saturday, my view is that PW starts again, a new coach on a two year deal.  His new job will be very different from his last one - albeit from the same dugout.  That is when, in my view, we judge the standard of his football.

Thank you.
I was three years old at the time, so wasn't fully up on matters back then 🙂  I do think it a better format.

In fairness, it appears you're asking the wrong person, in @Ilkestonian.
This should be aimed at those who have openly aired their intentions (on here) to invade the pitch at full time.
I've made my views clear.  But that's not to say I believe a pitch invasion will in itself lead to a points deduction, as I don't imagine it will for one moment.
My anti-invasion opinions are based on the fact that:
A/  The invaders will be going against the club's wishes, plans, and publicly announced statements, along with the laws of the land.
B/  The potential of those left in the stands missing the advertised "Lap of honour", due to it being cancelled should the pitch not be cleared in an appropriate timescale (There's only so much one man with a megaphone can achieve!).
C/  The potential for just ONE of the assumed thousands on the pitch doing something SO STUPID, that that in itself "COULD" lead to action being taken against the club, be that a fine, points deduction, or any other sanction the EFL has in their power.
Your question is a fair one.  It was just a poor aim.  👍🐏

We really need Peterborough to win mid-week to take this game seriously. We saw Oxford turn them over 5-0 and they’ve conceded 56 goals this season so they’ve got a problem keeping the ball out the net, I wouldn’t fancy them keeping the score down if they rest players against Bolton. Bolton really only need to win by three goals as they have the goal scored tiebreaker (should we lose). 
It helps the League One play-offs starts the following Friday (3rd placed) so you’d imagine that it will be situational based on their result, our result. If I’m Warne, I’m tempted to play the low block, keep things tight and hit Carlisle on the counter. Starve them of opportunities. Ultimately we only need a point and it makes no odds to Carlisle so we could play it out, slow the game right down. They’ve lost 16 of their last 21 games (2024 record). It’s been a limp finish from them. Give them a way out of getting a draw to end the season, don’t force the issue and give them an opportunity, just play it around and keep them at arms length. If they want to commit players then hit them on the counter, otherwise I would see if they would like a point and an unbeaten finish to the season.

I've been looking out for the semaphore but nothing so far.

If we'd go up finishing sixth playing the worst football ever seen it would be the  best achievement since 2006/07. We have achieved exactly nothing tangible since then.  Come close a few times, but fallen short.
We can only start to play flowing football in the Championship.  We could be the 1970 Brazil team and would struggle in this league.  Getting promoted is a stunning achievement - even if it is our minimum standard.

If we'd go up finishing sixth playing the worst football ever seen it would be the  best achievement since 2006/07. We have achieved exactly nothing tangible since then.  Come close a few times, but fallen short.
We can only start to play flowing football in the Championship.  We could be the 1970 Brazil team and would struggle in this league.  Getting promoted is a stunning achievement - even if it is our minimum standard.

If we'd go up finishing sixth playing the worst football ever seen it would be the  best achievement since 2006/07. We have achieved exactly nothing tangible since then.  Come close a few times, but fallen short.
We can only start to play flowing football in the Championship.  We could be the 1970 Brazil team and would struggle in this league.  Getting promoted is a stunning achievement - even if it is our minimum standard.

For good or ill, football is a results business.  I nearly lost faith following the Crewe defeat in November (as I was nervous of the tactics), but a winning run put an end to that.
Warne, should we gain promotion, will then have a two year contract playing in the Championship.  I think, based on statements by Clowes, he would have a goal of keeping us up and everything else being a bonus.  Failure there, and I think he would be in deep trouble.
You ask about when to have the debate.  Simple; it becomes live when any of the following happen:
a) if we fail to go up - the debate starts immediately on us being knocked out the pay offs
b) we go up, he get's a budget but it doesn't work and he offers no constructive approach to remedy the issue (effectively we are slow walking to relegation) - but this is next January/Feb at the earliest
c) we are re-relegated, under all the circumstances.
 
My point is that he is going for set goals, which i contend some are confusing for tactics.  A strategy is: we get up, stay up and then, and only then, truly look to kick on.  If he fails at any of these strategy, there are arguments the strategy has not worked.  
Tactics are how you get there.
The tactics will change with the opposition, let alone the league.  The players will improve as TV money will allow a better standard. The demands and the style of play will change.  
Our current tactics probably will not work.  Warne's job will be to find the players and the tactics to meet his objective.  We cannot judge him on a standard, when we demand he meets a completely different standard that is wholly divergent: we demand he gets results to win promotion, but in a less skilful league of flying tackles where fancy football gets you loads of possession and no end result (ala LR).  We then criticise the lack of skill.  Therefore, he has to win the promotion in front of him like beating the team in front of you.  He is plainly succeeding here.
We have no idea what a Warne side in the Championship will look like, never mind the tactics he would deploy - and nor do you nor anyone on this site.  Rotherham gives a guide, but they did not have our resources and only tell you so much.  The fact is, if he succeeds he has earned his shot
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

The points they make are intangible and intangibles are hard to debate, but it doesn't make them right (or indeed wrong).  We have no evidence of what a Warne Championship season with Derby would be like - and Rotherham are hardly thriving without him.
There are issues with Warne's management, of course there are, but we have it in our hands to get promoted - and are two wins away.  The idea this is the time to debate is absurd.  It is like complaining at a lottery win because the Euromillions was the night before and would have netted far more.  
Never let the best be the enemy of the good" - Aristotle

I do wonder how some people actually get into football. What I love most is winning, as long as the only stat we win in is goals scored, then I’m happy. I get the criticism of it, if you don’t play good football then you absolutely have to get the results, because you have nothing to fall back on and people will turn quicker as shown numerous times this season.
But the reason you watch your team is to hopefully see them win, surely? I really don’t see how getting automatic promotion from any league can be twisted into a negative. And like you said, our points are at a record level and will hopefully make it into the 90s. Biggest goal difference, second highest number of wins. You can’t even argue that we’ve got lucky.

First promotion for 17 years. First automatic promotion for nearly 30 years. Let’s counter your argument and say you think that finishing 3rd, playing good football but failing where it really matters is an achievement?
The arrogant attitude that anything less than running away with the title with triple figure points is a failure is why big clubs like Sunderland, Ipswich, Notts Forest etc got stuck down here for longer.
Less than two years ago we had about 6 players, no academy, no manager and had to play pre-season in temporary shirts because we didn’t even have kits. We were also put under restrictions, which still haven’t run out yet. So yes, I think getting automatic promotion in this timeframe is an achievement. A very good one, actually.

The points they make are intangible and intangibles are hard to debate, but it doesn't make them right (or indeed wrong).  We have no evidence of what a Warne Championship season with Derby would be like - and Rotherham are hardly thriving without him.
There are issues with Warne's management, of course there are, but we have it in our hands to get promoted - and are two wins away.  The idea this is the time to debate is absurd.  It is like complaining at a lottery win because the Euromillions was the night before and would have netted far more.  
Never let the best be the enemy of the good" - Aristotle

If we'd go up finishing sixth playing the worst football ever seen it would be the  best achievement since 2006/07. We have achieved exactly nothing tangible since then.  Come close a few times, but fallen short.
We can only start to play flowing football in the Championship.  We could be the 1970 Brazil team and would struggle in this league.  Getting promoted is a stunning achievement - even if it is our minimum standard.

It would be a party in the (Pride) Park.  
"ole" will ring out with every pass.  There won't be a trophy, but will be a victory parade in all but name.  

Can and should are different things.  You can debate anything at anytime.  It doesn't mean you should.
It comes across to me as pure Monty Python to have a debate about sacking a manager two games out from a clubs greatest achievement since 2006/07. 
  

You resemble more of a TB kind of guy.

I agree - thank you for the debate! 😂

You resemble more of a TB kind of guy.

You resemble more of a TB kind of guy.

God no. Get it over with ASAP. I really don't get this desire for a mad, stressful, day against Carlisle. Id rather be turning up knowing we're up and having a bloody lovely time of it.

It would be a party in the (Pride) Park.  
"ole" will ring out with every pass.  There won't be a trophy, but will be a victory parade in all but name.  

Can and should are different things.  You can debate anything at anytime.  It doesn't mean you should.
It comes across to me as pure Monty Python to have a debate about sacking a manager two games out from a clubs greatest achievement since 2006/07. 
  

For good or ill, football is a results business.  I nearly lost faith following the Crewe defeat in November (as I was nervous of the tactics), but a winning run put an end to that.
Warne, should we gain promotion, will then have a two year contract playing in the Championship.  I think, based on statements by Clowes, he would have a goal of keeping us up and everything else being a bonus.  Failure there, and I think he would be in deep trouble.
You ask about when to have the debate.  Simple; it becomes live when any of the following happen:
a) if we fail to go up - the debate starts immediately on us being knocked out the pay offs
b) we go up, he get's a budget but it doesn't work and he offers no constructive approach to remedy the issue (effectively we are slow walking to relegation) - but this is next January/Feb at the earliest
c) we are re-relegated, under all the circumstances.
 
My point is that he is going for set goals, which i contend some are confusing for tactics.  A strategy is: we get up, stay up and then, and only then, truly look to kick on.  If he fails at any of these strategy, there are arguments the strategy has not worked.  
Tactics are how you get there.
The tactics will change with the opposition, let alone the league.  The players will improve as TV money will allow a better standard. The demands and the style of play will change.  
Our current tactics probably will not work.  Warne's job will be to find the players and the tactics to meet his objective.  We cannot judge him on a standard, when we demand he meets a completely different standard that is wholly divergent: we demand he gets results to win promotion, but in a less skilful league of flying tackles where fancy football gets you loads of possession and no end result (ala LR).  We then criticise the lack of skill.  Therefore, he has to win the promotion in front of him like beating the team in front of you.  He is plainly succeeding here.
We have no idea what a Warne side in the Championship will look like, never mind the tactics he would deploy - and nor do you nor anyone on this site.  Rotherham gives a guide, but they did not have our resources and only tell you so much.  The fact is, if he succeeds he has earned his shot