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When you realise that the existing sky package gives the Championship clubs around £9m each, you can see why the clubs vote to sell their rights to Sky. 
That figure effectively doubles Derby's income from season tickets and we have among the highest number of season tickets in the league.

Oops!  I did 22k @ £450... but the answer came up with no commas, and I miscounted the noughts.  Thought it said £990,000!  
Anyway... must dash... I have a specsavers appointment!  
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A little.  Back of a fag packed calculation and 22,000 sold (with £300 per season ticket as average - some will be nearly twice that and some much below) nets you £6.6m.

Having been relegated twice from the Championship should at least have give Warne a good idea of what works and what doesn't in that league. He clearly knows how to get out of this league which was the number 1 priority, get us out and get us out quickly. That has meant that we have limited the haemorrhaging of money and our best young players, both from the first team squad and the academy to a minimum. 
Warne's last attempt at the Championship was short lived but successful up to that point. So hopefully that's an indicator that lessons had perhaps been learned. He should certainly be better prepared for the tactics and standards required this time. When you listen to Warne its obvious that he's a bright guy, he's far more erudite than most football managers you listen to so it seems inconceivable to me that he can fail to understand the tactical nuances that his arm chair critics - myself included - accuse him of. Bright guys are better than most at learning too. So why did we hate the football so? I'm coming to the conclusion that Warne knew better than we did that the ugly, basic football the team played a lot of the time was the most effective at that level. He said - and I criticised him for it -  ''my job is not to entertain the fans, its to get results''. My criticism at the time was 'no Paul, your job is to do both'. Whilst I still think so, maybe I should concede that his view, as a professional, is that to do both may be possible but with this squad would be less certain to get promotion quickly which was the overriding priority. 
So lets see how recruitment goes, this summer and next January. I think we will make a solid return to the Championship finishing comfortably mid table and then kick on the following season            

Indeed.
I would go further and say, for instance, I would be prepared to play for Derby in any position for free.  The club instead pays players in excess of £250,000 pa to do that role.  You could make the point that is a "gamble" on more established players.
I would be useless and we would be thrashed each week and relegated, but there would be a massive one off saving.
The gamble was paying very high wages to inexperienced managers (who are famous) and who, should you lose a few, would be sacked with compensation to boot.  And paying extremely high wages (and even higher fees) to fringe Premier League players to entice them to take a step backwards.
Paying a "promotion specialist" to increase revenue without taking debt to do so is very good business sense.  

Indeed.
I would go further and say, for instance, I would be prepared to play for Derby in any position for free.  The club instead pays players in excess of £250,000 pa to do that role.  You could make the point that is a "gamble" on more established players.
I would be useless and we would be thrashed each week and relegated, but there would be a massive one off saving.
The gamble was paying very high wages to inexperienced managers (who are famous) and who, should you lose a few, would be sacked with compensation to boot.  And paying extremely high wages (and even higher fees) to fringe Premier League players to entice them to take a step backwards.
Paying a "promotion specialist" to increase revenue without taking debt to do so is very good business sense.  

Indeed.
I would go further and say, for instance, I would be prepared to play for Derby in any position for free.  The club instead pays players in excess of £250,000 pa to do that role.  You could make the point that is a "gamble" on more established players.
I would be useless and we would be thrashed each week and relegated, but there would be a massive one off saving.
The gamble was paying very high wages to inexperienced managers (who are famous) and who, should you lose a few, would be sacked with compensation to boot.  And paying extremely high wages (and even higher fees) to fringe Premier League players to entice them to take a step backwards.
Paying a "promotion specialist" to increase revenue without taking debt to do so is very good business sense.  

I think to talk of splashing the cash is not really a valid claim. As part of the club's new business plan and risk management it could be argued that costs of spending on an experienced manager were part of a valid response to the risks and financial costs of being stuck in League ! for many seasons. As I recall at the time the plan was that we might be in League for 3 seasons before we were able to gain promotion back to the Championship.  Linking David Clowes behaviour as owner to that of Mel Morris, just won't do. Morris was a maverick who once he was owner did what he wanted without having sufficient people round him to advise him. The Clowes operation seems to be very different to me. What you term as Clowes's gamble  paying off might be viewed by others as careful planning delivering results.

I quite like Warne. He has a nice sense of humour and seems to have a vision. Truth is, before he became our manager I'd never heard of him.  Clowes rated him so that was enough for me. He was given one objective: get us up.  He's achieved that.
There are many who don't like him - whether it is is football, his David Brent jokes or his bobblehat.  That I have no problem with; I am no loyalist to him only the club. 
What I personally find frustrating is these points are masked with constantly moving goalposts - "players won't sign for him"... when they do it becomes: "he needs to stop media interviews, he is alienating them"... "we are losing, he doesn't understand tactics and is "naive" "... when they win it becomes "we were always going to win this league, he doesn't have the ability to win a league above - he's not a Championship specialist".  Just like a doomsday cult, when midnight arrives and the worst doesn't happen the deadline can move rather than admit, maybe, we need to rethink our position. Maybe he will fail, but he has been successful so far.   
What we need to do, in my view, is stick on what we want - and make that tangible and definable.  Without that, debate is hard as the grounds for that debate will shift as easy as sand in the Sahara.   Before writing this I read some of the season predictions. Promotion with second was a success for practically everyone.  What has changed?
 

I quite like Warne. He has a nice sense of humour and seems to have a vision. Truth is, before he became our manager I'd never heard of him.  Clowes rated him so that was enough for me. He was given one objective: get us up.  He's achieved that.
There are many who don't like him - whether it is is football, his David Brent jokes or his bobblehat.  That I have no problem with; I am no loyalist to him only the club. 
What I personally find frustrating is these points are masked with constantly moving goalposts - "players won't sign for him"... when they do it becomes: "he needs to stop media interviews, he is alienating them"... "we are losing, he doesn't understand tactics and is "naive" "... when they win it becomes "we were always going to win this league, he doesn't have the ability to win a league above - he's not a Championship specialist".  Just like a doomsday cult, when midnight arrives and the worst doesn't happen the deadline can move rather than admit, maybe, we need to rethink our position. Maybe he will fail, but he has been successful so far.   
What we need to do, in my view, is stick on what we want - and make that tangible and definable.  Without that, debate is hard as the grounds for that debate will shift as easy as sand in the Sahara.   Before writing this I read some of the season predictions. Promotion with second was a success for practically everyone.  What has changed?
 

I quite like Warne. He has a nice sense of humour and seems to have a vision. Truth is, before he became our manager I'd never heard of him.  Clowes rated him so that was enough for me. He was given one objective: get us up.  He's achieved that.
There are many who don't like him - whether it is is football, his David Brent jokes or his bobblehat.  That I have no problem with; I am no loyalist to him only the club. 
What I personally find frustrating is these points are masked with constantly moving goalposts - "players won't sign for him"... when they do it becomes: "he needs to stop media interviews, he is alienating them"... "we are losing, he doesn't understand tactics and is "naive" "... when they win it becomes "we were always going to win this league, he doesn't have the ability to win a league above - he's not a Championship specialist".  Just like a doomsday cult, when midnight arrives and the worst doesn't happen the deadline can move rather than admit, maybe, we need to rethink our position. Maybe he will fail, but he has been successful so far.   
What we need to do, in my view, is stick on what we want - and make that tangible and definable.  Without that, debate is hard as the grounds for that debate will shift as easy as sand in the Sahara.   Before writing this I read some of the season predictions. Promotion with second was a success for practically everyone.  What has changed?
 

I quite like Warne. He has a nice sense of humour and seems to have a vision. Truth is, before he became our manager I'd never heard of him.  Clowes rated him so that was enough for me. He was given one objective: get us up.  He's achieved that.
There are many who don't like him - whether it is is football, his David Brent jokes or his bobblehat.  That I have no problem with; I am no loyalist to him only the club. 
What I personally find frustrating is these points are masked with constantly moving goalposts - "players won't sign for him"... when they do it becomes: "he needs to stop media interviews, he is alienating them"... "we are losing, he doesn't understand tactics and is "naive" "... when they win it becomes "we were always going to win this league, he doesn't have the ability to win a league above - he's not a Championship specialist".  Just like a doomsday cult, when midnight arrives and the worst doesn't happen the deadline can move rather than admit, maybe, we need to rethink our position. Maybe he will fail, but he has been successful so far.   
What we need to do, in my view, is stick on what we want - and make that tangible and definable.  Without that, debate is hard as the grounds for that debate will shift as easy as sand in the Sahara.   Before writing this I read some of the season predictions. Promotion with second was a success for practically everyone.  What has changed?
 

I quite like Warne. He has a nice sense of humour and seems to have a vision. Truth is, before he became our manager I'd never heard of him.  Clowes rated him so that was enough for me. He was given one objective: get us up.  He's achieved that.
There are many who don't like him - whether it is is football, his David Brent jokes or his bobblehat.  That I have no problem with; I am no loyalist to him only the club. 
What I personally find frustrating is these points are masked with constantly moving goalposts - "players won't sign for him"... when they do it becomes: "he needs to stop media interviews, he is alienating them"... "we are losing, he doesn't understand tactics and is "naive" "... when they win it becomes "we were always going to win this league, he doesn't have the ability to win a league above - he's not a Championship specialist".  Just like a doomsday cult, when midnight arrives and the worst doesn't happen the deadline can move rather than admit, maybe, we need to rethink our position. Maybe he will fail, but he has been successful so far.   
What we need to do, in my view, is stick on what we want - and make that tangible and definable.  Without that, debate is hard as the grounds for that debate will shift as easy as sand in the Sahara.   Before writing this I read some of the season predictions. Promotion with second was a success for practically everyone.  What has changed?
 

He/She/they/mx/ze/hir/fae can identify as whatever they like.  

He is the football version of Uncle Albert. 
 

Clowes Developments are owned 100% by the Clowes Trust (2014).  It depends on the type of Trust (my assumption would be a bloodline discretionary trust) about voting rights.  I do not know whether DC has siblings (I know he has children), but he likely has total control (i.e. 50%+ 1 share) of the firm via the Trust (there are 5,510 shares in the Clowes Developments Ltd, to which the Clowes Trust 2014 owns all of them).
 
Below is the very long link to the related page outlining ownership structure via Companies House.
 
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-live.ch.gov.uk/docs/jA956asbmI8lFL9FTyAtuM73zW3Bw51NsN60X1HrmcM/application-pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAWRGBDBV3NXFXCCTZ%2F20240429%2Feu-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20240429T164903Z&X-Amz-Expires=60&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjELz%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCWV1LXdlc3QtMiJHMEUCIQCU9jUT7JZ1TCpWcdiaC%2FdiypHOEkiqnSpQe3wNmzkwyQIgedNzRQo2vaD3cG5lYgaqHhDk48uO4VS1s7JNmw06iycquwUIFRAFGgw0NDkyMjkwMzI4MjIiDGsdtbtESQlesdFP7CqYBamk6RvrQOLCRfaWsohOhJAjo05jIHR3cgexAnvX155vn5PHFFeWPTlMCm%2FHhv6zwcsR4iaAWIRmRlDB6Bg8TTCxpnbNwAfrRVmTJhblfeepATMcAf7SqYp4WfVFGOOAsAoaF%2Fcuqnjihwa8iS%2FiEfyatI7uMAfW%2F%2FgKI3Mwa38YWmQYeHRn1VXIGibMdIGIyWl%2ByF4dCIeCoVfJKLYZTJpF1LspEi6Wp30qee%2FNnUwwvuXosmmbtdE382UNtvwAismHDPBReNLXpvzdXjtoVcRhx%2FT1x66EN4XGJ%2F6tRTg%2Bn5%2BGeVfak5a8Wkm8Sehc95aiRTLjSNMuSpTQbUUmUZE9QUCE6AR68Zgje%2FMd%2BzU8r%2B9m7HdvBobMQ20Ouh5A0nYaaXV%2FQ1g4DTq7OQ1BAljXyBJ6qMIFsFBCmZmOR3Zy%2BUXeqgGc3u4D18OHCTGA1NdyofO0eTCIgo7Z0l2wX9j7JVEwVq2B2MYAliUfUphORKlP1eqXkqqSpjZNsTSULbzBF%2FZoyOlYF74gQFtNGNbkdfdTsG7Jhus6w%2BQOnCj%2BYybVEuE77uWMN5t3%2FPZ9%2Bjv1cXn6OYdbmocjuPTpxwCRufpTgixgKmczGvE6E0mH4tyWhMTavjsX%2BO3o7AkUbBVLo%2B2uGA839Fzs%2BeMq9aj%2F8NvKAZ0o7gJDaN6yjwzQhw%2Fb7u2MlNNjAhiQbiTsKAq%2FqzmY6ayOavG53qMBtkVnY0ztul9UjhHt8o95lhQCt%2F8LsDgLtZ7257GxpIhv0O3%2FELbVEpadeketU5Nmn4dsPLg9a5ptMHzl%2F%2BNxvn8CqqoegxwtzJW0wWKxwNmJTikRmQsXlVR7QKL6V8nx9B9l%2BJHVwPBZ4P49P3jJdN4FmhV%2Bt5GcpcgwiZu%2BsQY6sQGFB2G0QMxbXdMrMutL8daPQQ2B3h1gXGKy5Lde5oOnb%2F6kUKYuWbmfuNQitgtd7jKXZpnI0TDpsz2A55uMDf7PV1rMfeK0JYjvCxgsODLYhERQ3L9nmKgLdi5ym5SRZ%2BxSnMUPeePAeIjT7bORpz75fg21GMvNwm6SP9AnN00xhNS%2B4gkIcNf%2BpdHnrZijNEbgEFhlSqn5BZCwsXtk01trxr0Oj1G4h2cpYWjV7y046BY%3D&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D"companies_house_document.pdf"&X-Amz-Signature=a1d4aca32c5543f45b4278c1906a329e136cc1d591ba5513c006784583c9ed34
 
 
 

Clowes Developments are owned 100% by the Clowes Trust (2014).  It depends on the type of Trust (my assumption would be a bloodline discretionary trust) about voting rights.  I do not know whether DC has siblings (I know he has children), but he likely has total control (i.e. 50%+ 1 share) of the firm via the Trust (there are 5,510 shares in the Clowes Developments Ltd, to which the Clowes Trust 2014 owns all of them).
 
Below is the very long link to the related page outlining ownership structure via Companies House.
 
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-live.ch.gov.uk/docs/jA956asbmI8lFL9FTyAtuM73zW3Bw51NsN60X1HrmcM/application-pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAWRGBDBV3NXFXCCTZ%2F20240429%2Feu-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20240429T164903Z&X-Amz-Expires=60&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjELz%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCWV1LXdlc3QtMiJHMEUCIQCU9jUT7JZ1TCpWcdiaC%2FdiypHOEkiqnSpQe3wNmzkwyQIgedNzRQo2vaD3cG5lYgaqHhDk48uO4VS1s7JNmw06iycquwUIFRAFGgw0NDkyMjkwMzI4MjIiDGsdtbtESQlesdFP7CqYBamk6RvrQOLCRfaWsohOhJAjo05jIHR3cgexAnvX155vn5PHFFeWPTlMCm%2FHhv6zwcsR4iaAWIRmRlDB6Bg8TTCxpnbNwAfrRVmTJhblfeepATMcAf7SqYp4WfVFGOOAsAoaF%2Fcuqnjihwa8iS%2FiEfyatI7uMAfW%2F%2FgKI3Mwa38YWmQYeHRn1VXIGibMdIGIyWl%2ByF4dCIeCoVfJKLYZTJpF1LspEi6Wp30qee%2FNnUwwvuXosmmbtdE382UNtvwAismHDPBReNLXpvzdXjtoVcRhx%2FT1x66EN4XGJ%2F6tRTg%2Bn5%2BGeVfak5a8Wkm8Sehc95aiRTLjSNMuSpTQbUUmUZE9QUCE6AR68Zgje%2FMd%2BzU8r%2B9m7HdvBobMQ20Ouh5A0nYaaXV%2FQ1g4DTq7OQ1BAljXyBJ6qMIFsFBCmZmOR3Zy%2BUXeqgGc3u4D18OHCTGA1NdyofO0eTCIgo7Z0l2wX9j7JVEwVq2B2MYAliUfUphORKlP1eqXkqqSpjZNsTSULbzBF%2FZoyOlYF74gQFtNGNbkdfdTsG7Jhus6w%2BQOnCj%2BYybVEuE77uWMN5t3%2FPZ9%2Bjv1cXn6OYdbmocjuPTpxwCRufpTgixgKmczGvE6E0mH4tyWhMTavjsX%2BO3o7AkUbBVLo%2B2uGA839Fzs%2BeMq9aj%2F8NvKAZ0o7gJDaN6yjwzQhw%2Fb7u2MlNNjAhiQbiTsKAq%2FqzmY6ayOavG53qMBtkVnY0ztul9UjhHt8o95lhQCt%2F8LsDgLtZ7257GxpIhv0O3%2FELbVEpadeketU5Nmn4dsPLg9a5ptMHzl%2F%2BNxvn8CqqoegxwtzJW0wWKxwNmJTikRmQsXlVR7QKL6V8nx9B9l%2BJHVwPBZ4P49P3jJdN4FmhV%2Bt5GcpcgwiZu%2BsQY6sQGFB2G0QMxbXdMrMutL8daPQQ2B3h1gXGKy5Lde5oOnb%2F6kUKYuWbmfuNQitgtd7jKXZpnI0TDpsz2A55uMDf7PV1rMfeK0JYjvCxgsODLYhERQ3L9nmKgLdi5ym5SRZ%2BxSnMUPeePAeIjT7bORpz75fg21GMvNwm6SP9AnN00xhNS%2B4gkIcNf%2BpdHnrZijNEbgEFhlSqn5BZCwsXtk01trxr0Oj1G4h2cpYWjV7y046BY%3D&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D"companies_house_document.pdf"&X-Amz-Signature=a1d4aca32c5543f45b4278c1906a329e136cc1d591ba5513c006784583c9ed34
 
 
 

I'm also guilty of questioning the timing of certain posts/topics, including one of Sage's, the summer transfer suggestion thread, which in my opinion was absurd to be thinking about in February when we had no idea what league we would be in.
The topic remains open, into page 39, doesn't change my opinion that it should have been a conversation to be starting this week.
Same with Paul Warne's future and worrying about the style of football in the Championship. We're there now, makes sense if those want to voice their concerns. 
There is a huge difference though between being told you cannot talk about something, quiet, sssh, lock it and voicing an opinion which questions the timing. 
I also think most regular members should be able to read the room at this stage, you know roughly where people stand and if you're going to throw out a controversial take 10 minutes after the final whistle after gaining promotion, kinda got to accept the criticism you would get for that.
Also, theres been some goading from the other side if you like following promotion, forcing humble pie down someone's throat will only be spat back in your face. If you actually read what those critical of Warne are saying, promotion wouldn't change the concern they have going forward, so yeah, lose the first 2 or 3 I'm sure we'll be back to the same debate.
Although for me, if you give the manager the summer, got to give them until Christmas then barring any complete and utter disaster situation which we saw under Pearson.
All in my opinion of course. 

Hypothetically....
Brighton were interested in buying him but loaning him out to a Championship club.  Now we are there, there is the option of selling him and loaning him back for the season.  There is no way he would break into Brighton first team at this stage, but a Championship season would give him his springboard.
If Brighton do want him, he will go but if we can get a further season that would be a big win with a fee on top.

This isn’t even a question is it! 

Glad to see the back of it and hope to never return.
I can understand those regular away fans that were able to buy tickets and experience new grounds, was an adventure for you all. 
Not wanting to sound arrogant, a club of this size should not have been playing at these grounds outside of cup competitions and pre season. There is a reason why Derby last season was a big day out for most of the league. 
I'm glad we won't have to play Burton and Mansfield next season, I'm glad we won't have to feature on Welcome to Wrexham and we're back to one promotion away from being back in the top flight.
The Premier League has it's faults, VAR is terrible, we're never going to win the thing and it's all about the big 6, yet Brighton, Brentford, these are clubs we should replicating in some form and on the cusp of breaking into the European spots.
If League 1 was an adventure, imagine taking a couple of days off work midweek to fly out to Prague on the lash and watching Derby. 
I bet Leicester City fans never thought for a second they would achieve what they did.
I'm fully aware we are still miles away from that, our immediate focus has to be Championship survival, then stability before we can think about progressing to the next step of chasing promotion.
But we're closer now than we would have been had we lost on Saturday and Bolton won. 

I think I posted on here at the time a few days before it transpired, that Rooney probably did want to stay,but his going was inevitable.  When Chris Kirchner was "supposedly" going to buy us Rooney was all in on the idea - and seemed fully on board. Had that not have been fairy dust of a fraudster, I suspect he would have done.  
When that fell through, WR was somewhat tainted by it (I doubt any of which was his fault).   Then when Clowes put his bid in and it was accepted, Rooney must have seen (or been advised) that there was no way Clowes was going to want to pay managerial salaries at that level (for an inexperienced manager, but with top level playing experience).
Clowes clearly wanted us to be normal - rather than Wayne Rooney/Frank Lampard's Derby.  In those instances, it was both inevitable that he was going to leave - and he got to make the decision himself.  

I noted it at the time.
I also thought he was taking the players off due to pitch invasion, as there was still two minutes of the minimum four to go.

Love this; underpass is part of my route to Pride Park. Hope it doesn’t get vandalised. We need more of this sort of street art. 

I think I posted on here at the time a few days before it transpired, that Rooney probably did want to stay,but his going was inevitable.  When Chris Kirchner was "supposedly" going to buy us Rooney was all in on the idea - and seemed fully on board. Had that not have been fairy dust of a fraudster, I suspect he would have done.  
When that fell through, WR was somewhat tainted by it (I doubt any of which was his fault).   Then when Clowes put his bid in and it was accepted, Rooney must have seen (or been advised) that there was no way Clowes was going to want to pay managerial salaries at that level (for an inexperienced manager, but with top level playing experience).
Clowes clearly wanted us to be normal - rather than Wayne Rooney/Frank Lampard's Derby.  In those instances, it was both inevitable that he was going to leave - and he got to make the decision himself.