Stive Pesley Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 I hesitate to bump this topic, but just when I thought there were no more nails left to hammer into Twitter's coffin, I see today that they are now planning to make people's "likes" private So if you like a tweet, the only person that knows you liked it is you and the author of the tweet Maybe doesn't sound so bad, until you remember that Twitter now boosts tweets depending on popularity, and is still crawling with bots who can artificially each plough through thousands of tweets a day smashing the like button and boosting the reach of the post. Now you have no way of seeing if a post is organically popular or bot-popular With an impending US election, what can go wrong? Of course it will put an end to the witch-hunting of famous people who get spotted liking a contentious or edgy post, but a by-product of that is that it potentially opens people up to blackmail if you're a neo-nazi and you see that someone famous has liked your post...fancy a few quid? Threaten to leak the screenshot... cstand and Alph 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 25 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: I hesitate to bump this topic, but just when I thought there were no more nails left to hammer into Twitter's coffin, I see today that they are now planning to make people's "likes" private So if you like a tweet, the only person that knows you liked it is you and the author of the tweet Maybe doesn't sound so bad, until you remember that Twitter now boosts tweets depending on popularity, and is still crawling with bots who can artificially each plough through thousands of tweets a day smashing the like button and boosting the reach of the post. Now you have no way of seeing if a post is organically popular or bot-popular With an impending US election, what can go wrong? Of course it will put an end to the witch-hunting of famous people who get spotted liking a contentious or edgy post, but a by-product of that is that it potentially opens people up to blackmail if you're a neo-nazi and you see that someone famous has liked your post...fancy a few quid? Threaten to leak the screenshot... Didn't they do this on Insta a few years ago. The logic was supposed to be to raise quality by stopping people chasing likes. Also I think the algorithms mostly focus on comments and retweets; likes are only a minor factor in determining engagement. Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 38 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: I hesitate to bump this topic, but just when I thought there were no more nails left to hammer into Twitter's coffin, I see today that they are now planning to make people's "likes" private So if you like a tweet, the only person that knows you liked it is you and the author of the tweet Maybe doesn't sound so bad, until you remember that Twitter now boosts tweets depending on popularity, and is still crawling with bots who can artificially each plough through thousands of tweets a day smashing the like button and boosting the reach of the post. Now you have no way of seeing if a post is organically popular or bot-popular With an impending US election, what can go wrong? Of course it will put an end to the witch-hunting of famous people who get spotted liking a contentious or edgy post, but a by-product of that is that it potentially opens people up to blackmail if you're a neo-nazi and you see that someone famous has liked your post...fancy a few quid? Threaten to leak the screenshot... Non issue really. How many times would you go through the like list to verify the people are genuine? With all the changes, this has to be right down there at the bottom of the s*** list. Looked earlier, I now 72 followers on X. Never posted once yet have a constant flow of followers then unfollowers. If you watch Musk’s account he gets around 100k a day, wild really. Shows he’s done absolutely nothing to stop the bots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 9 minutes ago, Day said: stop the bots. You've been told about this before, please leave out the politics discussion. Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 14 minutes ago, Day said: Looked earlier, I now 72 followers on X. Never posted once yet have a constant flow of followers then unfollowers. If you watch Musk’s account he gets around 100k a day, wild really. Shows he’s done absolutely nothing to stop the bots. Same. Opened a 'burner' account a few months back and have nearly 60 followers. A while back I started looking through the list and they are all bots. Of course I knew this as like yours, the account was used only to view and not to post. For balance, I think Facebook is crap too these days and Insta is going the same way. Pretty soon, all these platforms will just be bots arguing with one another or liking each other's posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, Day said: Non issue really. How many times would you go through the like list to verify the people are genuine? With all the changes, this has to be right down there at the bottom of the s*** list. Looked earlier, I now 72 followers on X. Never posted once yet have a constant flow of followers then unfollowers. If you watch Musk’s account he gets around 100k a day, wild really. Shows he’s done absolutely nothing to stop the bots. I guess I agree it's a non-issue on a day to day basis for casual users, but I sometimes found it helpful to get the measure of someone who shows up in your replies. If you can see their likes, you get an idea of what sort of character they are and whether they seem genuine or not. I also have a mate who was going to get some work done by a builder but when he checked his likes, he had liked loads of racist posts, so he went with a different builder on principle Fundamentally though - Musk is only doing it to cover up the fact he hasn't got rid of the bots (which was the first thing he said he'd do) so the platform is further undermined. It becomes very easy for nefarious forces to manipulate the platform by paying for likes from a a bot farm that artificially boosts whatever message they want to make appear popular. Making likes private makes it almost impossible to detect this behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 The removal of public likes is to prevent the offense archaeologists destroying lives and livelihoods by going through accounts so they can get people cancelled for liking something that's not progressive. As has been said, Insta did this years ago. It's a shame it has to be done, but will lead to a healthier, more honest exchange in the town square. maxjam, ariotofmyown and cstand 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 There is nothing "healthy" about wanting to disguise or hide away bigotry. Accountability is always paramount. If someone wants to "like" a post that is "not progressive" (now there's a euphemism!) - they should have the guts to stand by their views Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 6 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: The removal of public likes is to prevent the offense archaeologists destroying lives and livelihoods by going through accounts so they can get people cancelled for liking something that's not progressive. As has been said, Insta did this years ago. It's a shame it has to be done, but will lead to a healthier, more honest exchange in the town square. There are pros and cons. I agree that it's far too easy to destroy people for historical likes and posts that may no longer reflect that person's thinking. However, it's absolutely in the public interest to see what politicians are publicly liking. If someone running for office likes several posts along the lines of, say, "Hitler was right", it's the electorate's right to know that IMO. It's not like it's a private message. Whether or not that specific example justifies the whole thing I don't know. Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 7 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: The removal of public likes is to prevent the offense archaeologists destroying lives and livelihoods by going through accounts so they can get people cancelled for liking something that's not progressive. As has been said, Insta did this years ago. It's a shame it has to be done, but will lead to a healthier, more honest exchange in the town square. Archeology = 2 years ago. I've got in-date food items in the cupboard that are older than a certain "non-progressive" post. Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 41 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: There are pros and cons. I agree that it's far too easy to destroy people for historical likes and posts that may no longer reflect that person's thinking. However, it's absolutely in the public interest to see what politicians are publicly liking. If someone running for office likes several posts along the lines of, say, "Hitler was right", it's the electorate's right to know that IMO. It's not like it's a private message. Whether or not that specific example justifies the whole thing I don't know. "We should have appeased Hitler" is now "non-progressive" in our zany, polorised world. Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 It's a real shame, as for all its faults, Twitter used to be a really vibrant community with a very loyal and ever-growing user base. Sadly, Statista now estimate headcounts to be over 10% down from their historical high (2022) and if anyone were allowed to properly investigate bot numbers, one suspects the picture would be significantly grimmer still. Worse still, Reuters report that ad revenue has declined by at least 55% and unless users wish to pay to view any and all content, which they evidently don't, this trend heralds a decline akin to that we saw with Myspace. Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 I have 6 followers. All seem to be bots. I've never posted - just check the Derbyshire CCC updates occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 I promise this isn’t an Elon Musk attack. I’ve been seeing so much of this kind of thing on X lately. Openly calling black British people “Africans”; saying Indian people smell; etc. A lot of it comes from anonymous accounts, but it doesn’t really change the principle. I can’t figure out why I’ve seen so much more of it? Was this kind of thing suppressed under the previous Twitter ownership? Are people just bolder in their racism in 2024 than they were in, say, 2020? Is it just a load of bots taking over? I can’t put my finger on it, but it’s made Twitter/X a worse place to be. And that’s not to mention the constant sex posts and OnlyFans ads which, despite what you might assume, I have zero interest in. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Reports going around social media that people are unable to follow Kamala Harris on Twitter / X. They are receiving an error message saying they cannot follow any more accounts, which is normally a spam limiter sent to bot accounts to prevent them adding hundreds of followed accounts. Is this just more Musk "freedom of speech is what I tell you it is" or Twitter growing ever more bugs due to the coders all being booted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted July 23 Author Share Posted July 23 48 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Reports going around social media that people are unable to follow Kamala Harris on Twitter / X. They are receiving an error message saying they cannot follow any more accounts, which is normally a spam limiter sent to bot accounts to prevent them adding hundreds of followed accounts. Is this just more Musk "freedom of speech is what I tell you it is" or Twitter growing ever more bugs due to the coders all being booted? Just went to try this and worked fine, no error messages at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, Day said: Just went to try this and worked fine, no error messages at all Worked fine for me too. I guess that, given Musk has endorsed Trump for President, it's no surprise that there is paranoia about his ability to manipulate a global discourse platform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 On 19/07/2024 at 17:42, DarkFruitsRam7 said: I promise this isn’t an Elon Musk attack. I’ve been seeing so much of this kind of thing on X lately. Openly calling black British people “Africans”; saying Indian people smell; etc. A lot of it comes from anonymous accounts, but it doesn’t really change the principle. I can’t figure out why I’ve seen so much more of it? Was this kind of thing suppressed under the previous Twitter ownership? Are people just bolder in their racism in 2024 than they were in, say, 2020? Is it just a load of bots taking over? I can’t put my finger on it, but it’s made Twitter/X a worse place to be. And that’s not to mention the constant sex posts and OnlyFans ads which, despite what you might assume, I have zero interest in. It's the blue tick change. From a purely mechanical view, these posts are amplified by the author paying to have the tick. Add to this, the legacy of the blue tick meaning that there is still that assumed level of trust and authenticity that it used to have under the old system. Whether his Muskiness intended this be what happened, that more ill-meaning people take advantage of this mechanic rather than simply swelling his coffers strays into my personal biases, so will leave it there. Stive Pesley and DarkFruitsRam7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 54 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Worked fine for me too. I guess that, given Musk has endorsed Trump for President, it's no surprise that there is paranoia about his ability to manipulate a global discourse platform In spite of Elon's preaching of free speech?* *tongue firmly in cheek. Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 22 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: Add to this, the legacy of the blue tick meaning that there is still that assumed level of trust and authenticity that it used to have under the old system. Which the EU have just ruled breaches their online content rules https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw0y1ezpv5xo Quote "There is evidence of motivated malicious actors abusing the 'verified account' to deceive users," Musk's predictable response is that it is "censorship" to not allow motivated malicious actors to pay him money to deceive his users 😂 Eddie and Crewton 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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