Henrycav81 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Overall thought McFarland was slightly better than toddy, but in 74/75 season toddy was imperious can’t remember him making a mistake all season, he was also PFA player of the season in 1975 so in today’s money I’d put him at around 100m angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Henrycav81 said: Overall thought McFarland was slightly better than toddy, but in 74/75 season toddy was imperious can’t remember him making a mistake all season, he was also PFA player of the season in 1975 so in today’s money I’d put him at around 100m I think McFarland was simply an all-round better player than Toddy, who was also great. But some of Toddy's greatness grew from playing alongside McFarland - what a pair! But I agree that Toddy was outstanding alongside Peter Daniel in 1974-75 when McFarland missed all but the last four games of the second Championship season through injury. While Toddy won the PFA award, Daniel won the DCFC Supporters player of the year award. Toddy was never as good elsewhere as he was at Derby County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 37 minutes ago, Boycie said: Weren’t we a bit like Blackburn? bobbing along in the second division then rose to the top, twice for us mind, then dropped away back to where we came from? Bobbing along is a good analogy...we were and then along came one Brian Clough and all changed, His fall out with Sam Longson where BC try to call his bluff...where it misfired...the rest as we know is History ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB SPORTS Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Hector and Saunders at their peak would be the highest value just the fact they were out and out goalscorers, they would both be in the 60-70M bracket nowadays. As for Footballing ability there is no doubt in my mind that McFarland was the best player i have seen at Derby in my lifetime. Patrick Rams, richinspain and Hans Datdo-Dishes 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Brailsford Ram said: Not Ken from Hull but David Wagstaff the Wolves winger, who always troubled Ron. Wagstaff was good but never played for England because Ramsey didn't play wingers. Correct, my mistake, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Brailsford Ram said: I think McFarland was simply an all-round better player than Toddy, who was also great. But some of Toddy's greatness grew from playing alongside McFarland - what a pair! But I agree that Toddy was outstanding alongside Peter Daniel in 1974-75 when McFarland missed all but the last four games of the second Championship season through injury. While Toddy won the PFA award, Daniel won the DCFC Supporters player of the year award. Toddy was never as good elsewhere as he was at Derby County. PD didn't win because he was better, but because of how he stepped up. I don'tt mean to sound disingenuous because he was amazing, but it was largely a vote of thanks by the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 Reading this thread, I wonder what heights Roy and Charlie could have scaled if they'd stayed injury free ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrycav81 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: Reading this thread, I wonder what heights Roy and Charlie could have scaled if they'd stayed injury free ? I think Roy greenwood & Charlie Palmer played at a highest level they possibly could have Boycie, Bob The Badger, Hans Datdo-Dishes and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Toddy may well have won a few more caps if a certain Bobby Moore was not around…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Toddy may well have won a few more caps if a certain Bobby Moore was not around…. Bobby Moore was on the way out before keeping Toddy out of the England team…last England appearance in 1973. Boycie and Patrick Rams 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrycav81 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Toddy may well have won a few more caps if a certain Bobby Moore was not around…. Bobby Moore played his last game for England in 1973 I think Don Revie was the main reason he only played 27 times for England, if my memory serves me right Revie offered Toddy the captaincy but he turned it down Revie barely picked him after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: Bobby Moore was on the way out before keeping Toddy out of the England team…last England appearance in 1973. Toddy was a top player from 1970 so would have picked up a few more without Bobby still there. It’s no disgrace to be kept out by the worlds best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Henrycav81 said: Bobby Moore played his last game for England in 1973 I think Don Revie was the main reason he only played 27 times for England, if my memory serves me right Revie offered Toddy the captaincy but he turned it down Revie barely picked him after that Revie was always a bamford! Henrycav81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Just now, uttoxram75 said: Toddy was a top player from 1970 so would have picked up a few more without Bobby still there. It’s no disgrace to be kept out by the worlds best. But he had plenty of opportunity to play for England from 1973 onwards so Moore can’t be the reason…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dordogne-Ram Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 45 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: Correct, my mistake, thanks. The aggro between the two was unbelievable- never saw Ronnie lose his rag against any other player, it was almost as though World War 3 had broken out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Bob The Badger said: PD didn't win because he was better, but because of how he stepped up. I don'tt mean to sound disingenuous because he was amazing, but it was largely a vote of thanks by the fans. I agree completely. That was my view at the time and it still is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 37 minutes ago, Dordogne-Ram said: The aggro between the two was unbelievable- never saw Ronnie lose his rag against any other player, it was almost as though World War 3 had broken out! Wolves fans of our vintage say that Ron Webster wasn't alone in finding Wagstaffe a handful - most full backs did. He really is a Molineux legend amongst them. Brian Clough had clearly identified the Wagstaffe problem and set out to curb it. Here is what Alan Durban related last season on the 50th anniversary of the first league title: Clough’s side continued to charge as they beat Coventry City and their nearest rivals Nottingham Forest 4-0, before Wolverhampton Wanderers visited the Baseball Ground. Wolves presented a difficult task for Derby, as they did for many sides that season. Clough knew it, too. And he did something that afternoon which has lived with Durban for more than half a century. “When we went out to play the game against Wolves, I was generally one of the first players out after the captain,” he remembered. “I was always the third or fourth out, but Brian said to me before the game to go out last. I wasn’t sure why and it was a bit strange, but as I was just going down the tunnel, a big hand came over my shoulder from him. He whispered in my ear: ‘If Mike Bailey finds Dave Wagstaffe with a 40-yard ball, you will come and sit with me.’ So that was my instructions for the match. “Now, what he didn’t tell me was that he had already told Ron Webster to go and play next to Toddy to stop Derek Dougan running down that channel. Now, the fact he never brought it up in a team meeting in front of everyone is incredible. If you go on management courses, they will tell you that fear motivation doesn’t work, but there was something about him that you feared and it worked because I didn’t let that pass happen all game and we managed to get the win which was important.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Henrycav81 said: I think Roy greenwood & Charlie Palmer played at a highest level they possibly could have Oi I turned down Barca to come to the BG ? Henrycav81 and hintonsboots 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Magicman said: Hinton £ 20m You’re avin a laff. Man Utd paid £80 million for Anthony who is a poor mans Gladys. RoyMac5 and JJs dms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrycav81 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said: Oi I turned down Barca to come to the BG ? Greenwood and Caskey what a pairing that was on a par with Hector & O’Hare , Lee & George and Goddard & Saunders JJs dms and Reggie Greenwood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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