Curtains Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, sage said: Because Bird, Buchanan and Sibley are on artificially low wages for their experience and ability. Bird is on around £1500 a week, what do you think we would get for that? He’s on 9000 a week https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/Derby-county/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Curtains said: He’s on 9000 a week https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/Derby-county/ His and few others have changed a lot this season. The last time the site was quoted on here, him Sibley, Roos and a few other were on a lot less. In that case i-Ram and Curtains 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 hours ago, PistoldPete said: We have potential buyers lined up. If I was a potential buyer I really would not be happy at all of the clubs assets were being sold at silly prices. That will be up to the administrators as to what price they find acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: That will be up to the administrators as to what price they find acceptable. But the administrators know that they need to find a buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, PistoldPete said: But the Hmrc will get nothing at all if we sell our best players for next to nothing. That will put off the buyers and then Msd will cash in , our football creditors paid and Hmrc get nothing. And there follows liquidation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Curtains said: He’s on 9000 a week https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/Derby-county/ Kelle Roos £16k p.w. ? That kind of money must slip through his fingers. Edited December 6, 2021 by i-Ram jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said: Wigan had to let Jamal Lowe leave on the cheap and Swansea doubled their money in a season. Hope we can include some sell on clauses in any sales. Yeah I don't think Quantuma need lessons from the Wigan guy. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Ravabeerbelly said: This isnt my opinion btw these are the facts and have been reported as such. The balance sheet is worthless as it stands. The secured debt outweighs potential balance sheet because that’s all a player is….it’s like saying you have half a million just because an estate agent valued your house at £500k….. The HMRC debt is the stumbling block and thats approx £27 mill isn’t it? The asset is the football club and the fanbase and the future in come that generates!!! If someone said you can’t ever sign another player again I’d agree with you but players are simply a product that is worth cash….it’s like the fixtures and fittings in your house…the house is crap without them but not worthless!! Keeping the players to sell later when they’re worth more (how is that even possible?) is pointless if on the meantime the business goes down the pan cos it can’t function!!! The priority right now is securing the future of the club not the future of the match results. My thoughts are structured by the thoughts of an article from the plymouth argyle manager, who in my opinion is knowledgeable enough and a proven success at League One level. He's highly likely to get plymouth promoted this season, more than that he says why in League one a team needs to pay above the odds for the best players and why that's critical to success. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/building-promotion-winning-plymouth-argyle-5292764.amp Backing up that thought, who spends millions buying a football that's in trouble and then spends nothing on rebuilding the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: But the administrators know that they need to find a buyer. No the administrators need to get the debt down and make the club a saleable business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Kelle Roos £14k p.w. ? That kind of money must slip through his fingers. Haha. Mind you £12 million total wage bill. It was £47 million in 2017/18. Someone tell Kieran Maguire he still thinks we went bust due to wage bill trebling from 2014 to 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, sage said: Because Bird, Buchanan and Sibley are on artificially low wages for their experience and ability. Bird is on around £1500 a week, what do you think we would get for that? Ah i see. Apologies - i misunderstood your post. You want to replace them with similar quality players. If that is the case then yes it would cost more to get replacements, but i do not believe that is what we will do if we do sell them. Depends what our agreement with the EFL specifies, but i'd expect youth players to just step up or super cheap replacements to join us for free if we sell anyone. Don't think we'll paying any new player much more than £1500 per week if we're in league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: No the administrators need to get the debt down and make the club a saleable business. So you think we can stay in administration for 10 years? I don't. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, Oldben said: Backing up that thought, who spends millions buying a football that's in trouble and then spends nothing on rebuilding the team. As it stands we have nobody willing to do just that. Any future investment will also depend heavily on what the efl decide to allow us to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: So you think we can stay in administration for 10 years? I don't. Clubs are not permitted to stay in administration for 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravabeerbelly Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, Oldben said: My thoughts are structured by the thoughts of an article from the plymouth argyle manager, who in my opinion is knowledgeable enough and a proven success at League One level. He's highly likely to get plymouth promoted this season, more than that he says why in League one a team needs to pay above the odds for the best players and why that's critical to success. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/building-promotion-winning-plymouth-argyle-5292764.amp Backing up that thought, who spends millions buying a football that's in trouble and then spends nothing on rebuilding the team. Completely agree with you. So you’re point is? You think I was suggesting not reinvesting in the team in the future? Or you think investing in it now over or instead of saving the future of the club is a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUTSIDER Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 we have no choice really , its about surving and crown jewels need to go to keep DCFC alive plus Knight is to good for league 1 and he will want to play at the top as he in irish squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: Clubs are not permitted to stay in administration for 2 seasons. Well we will not reduce the debt much from £56 million in two years unless HMRC takes a big haircut or someone buys us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, PistoldPete said: Well we will not reduce the debt much from £56 million in two years unless HMRC takes a big haircut or someone buys us. And if neither happens we go into liquidation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravabeerbelly Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, Oldben said: He's highly likely to get plymouth promoted this season, more than that he says why in League one a team needs to pay above the odds for the best players and why that's critical to success. I’ve always been very much in the school of thought to reach any league you need players from the league you are trying to get into….. To get promoted into the Championship you need to play in league 1 with Championship quality players. Likewise if you are in the Champ and try and use league 1 quality it’s more than likely that’s where you’ll end up… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravabeerbelly Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Well we will not reduce the debt much from £56 million in two years unless HMRC takes a big haircut or someone buys us. As I’ve said, we dont need to be rid of the debt it just needs to reach a level where the secured debt is less than the value of the asset…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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