Ghost of Clough Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, StarterForTen said: We can sign five free agents on restricted salaries (but not as restricted as before) and we can resign current players on terms that - give or take - allow for average salaries of £12k per week. If players were free agents before the closing of the last window they could sign for us today and play next week. Once we have our five free agents in, and we have extended the terms of the current players we ant to keep, then we would be free to play whichever youngsters we like. This is the single most important thing as it means we can retain the services of Bird, Knight, Buchanan, etc rather than having to wait until the summer before offering deals. brady1993, Ted McMinn Football Genius, r_wilcockson and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravabeerbelly Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: This is the single most important thing as it means we can retain the services of Bird, Knight, Buchanan, etc rather than having to wait until the summer before offering deals. Providing you can make playing in league 1 sound attractive…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAccessMemory Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Established player rule is only for soft embargo, isn't it? Probably, I think I’ve lost the plot trying to keep up with all the rules! ? Players under the age of 21 don’t count to any limit for any other club though, which has the same effect. Quote 43.9 Squad Lists 43.9.1 Clubs shall be permitted to name up to a maximum number of Players in their Squad List based on the following provisions: (a) in respect of Championship Clubs, 25 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player; and (b) in respect of League One and Two Clubs 22 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player. 43.9.2 The following Players do not need to be included in the Squad List to be eligible to play in League Matches: (a) in respect of Championship Clubs, any Under 21 Player (save for any Under 21 Player who is registered with the Club on a Temporary Loan Transfer); and (b) in respect of League One Clubs and League Two Clubs: (i) any Under 21 Players; and (ii) goalkeepers. Ghost of Clough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, tinman said: RoOs Allsopp Marshall Byrne Forsyth Jagielka McDonald Buchanen Davies Bird Sibley Shinnie Knight Stearman Bielik Morrison Jozwiak Allsopp Lawrence CKR 20 under three starts Ebosele Williams Brown Hutchinson Aghatise Watson Stretton 7 You've misspelled Allsop both times? tinman, r_wilcockson, Ghost of Clough and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: This is the single most important thing as it means we can retain the services of Bird, Knight, Buchanan, etc rather than having to wait until the summer before offering deals. Absolutely. I'm sure you've posted this many times before but what is the list of first team players out of contract next summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 50 minutes ago, RandomAccessMemory said: It’d have to be agreed with the player being subbed off, but I’d love it if Wayne made a sub to bring one of the youngsters on after a few seconds. I know we might end up having to play with less players if we get injuries during the game, but it would certainly make a clear point, especially if it was a TV game, and would be within the rules as they’ve been presented in that document. There's actually a slight possibility that we end up starting a game with less than 11 players, but have a full bench we can use ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepyuppy Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Yeah, but if we apply a new ‘amortisation’ formula, we can sign loads,,,,,,,,,,,, ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: You've misspelled Allsop both times? God knows what happened. Copy and paste let me down. formatting was all over the shop. Not withstanding the fact I put Allsopp instead of Baldock. Edited November 16, 2021 by tinman Chris_Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 2 hours ago, tinman said: RoOs Allsopp Marshall Byrne Forsyth Jagielka McDonald Buchanen Davies Bird Sibley Shinnie Knight Stearman Bielik Morrison Jozwiak Allsopp Lawrence CKR 20 under three starts Ebosele Williams Brown Hutchinson Aghatise Watson Stretton 7 Why is Stearman playing attacking mid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwichram2 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Having tried to decipher the EFL Agreed Decision appendix, I believe that the £15.7m budget is for all wages, bonuses and other payments for all the club's contracted players ie including academy lads. If so it means that those among us who thought we had an average of £12k a week exclusively for the 25 player first team squad stand to be disappointed. Anyway my ambition is simply to get to the end of the season with a new owner and heads held high on and off the pitch. Then game on!! Kathcairns and Ted McMinn Football Genius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Taribo said: Why is Stearman playing attacking mid? so is Allsop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: This is the single most important thing as it means we can retain the services of Bird, Knight, Buchanan, etc rather than having to wait until the summer before offering deals. I think beyond them we should be tying up any of the very promising academy players on quite lengthy contracts to secure them for the future (i.e. the likes of Ebosele and Watson). I'm convinced the only way we recover from this mess is on the back of academy players. Ghost of Clough, LeedsCityRam, Kathcairns and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepyuppy Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Can weas Mr Gibson if we can play our U13's ? Or will that constitute another 12pt penalty for child exploitation ? Kathcairns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 48 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: so is Allsop? If I was to be unkind it would be to keep them as far away from our goal as possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Is there any centre forward or wide men who are free agents that anyone would take a punt on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ram1988 said: Is there any centre forward or wide men who are free agents that anyone would take a punt on? Robson Kanu, Mendez-Laing, Niasse, Sanogo, Bony, Lacina Traore & Enobakhare All would do well in League 1 doubt many would sign though. All players who sign for us would be on a low wage & know where we will be playing next season Edited November 16, 2021 by DCFC1388 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) So the permitted players in Jan would be - GK (3) - Roos Allsop Marshall DEF (5) - Byrne Davies Stearman Buchanan Forsyth MID (6) - Bielik Morrison Shinnie Bird Knight Sibley FWD (4) - CKR Lawrence Jozwiak Ebosele So that would be 18 meaning space for 7 if nobody leaves but sounds like Marshall will be gone with his recent comments. Then Jagielka & Baldock who run out of contract in Jan would take up 2 spots if they stay on. Youngsters who could feature - 0 starts - Cashin Hutchinson 1 start - Williams McDonald Stretton 2 starts - Watson Edited November 16, 2021 by DCFC1388 r_wilcockson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Watson has started 2, one last season, one this. McDonald started one last season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: Watson has started 2, one last season, one this. McDonald started one last season too. Cheers missed the 1ast season as he played 45 so thought he came off the bench & McDonald wasnt on the 1st team squad list on Transfermarkt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Ram Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Playing devils advocate, what incentive do Derby have to bring anyone in during January? I wonder if they will do so to make it seem outwardly like we haven’t yet given up on turning around the points deficit? Although surely every rational person must know it’s practically impossible. If we admit to ourselves that relegation is unavoidable, why spend the additional money on wages for players that can’t save us? Remember that we still have the P&S rules to adhere to, and minimising costs now will help us in years to come. I suppose that we might let some players go (those that wouldn’t stay to play in League 1, or on substantial wages, or both) and depending on how many leave, we might strike some short term deals to maintain a large enough squad. But I question how many will leave- what club would pay for e.g. Lawrence/Jozwiak in January, when they can wait and get them for free/cheaper in summer? Derby have no bargaining power in those negotiations. Even if we did sell players, would we be happy promoting academy players to become part of the 25? It will be very interesting to see how the club play it- particularly if we do get a new owner in before January. If we don’t get the new owner, then I presume the administrators will rely on existing staff to make those shouts. Does anyone know who within the club make those decisions, with no owner or CEO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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