DCFC Kicks Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Ramarena said: Yes there’s the England link with Mac. But if you remember his stock was incredibly low when we took him on, he was part time coaching at QPR to try and get back in the game after bad spells at Wolfsburg, Forest and Twente (second time). true, I think Mac was an inspired appointment in hindsight. I think when Mel appointed Mac, it was mostly to do with football. I think with each passing year commercialisation and "attraction to buyers" have increasingly come into Mel's consideration when making appointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 hours ago, DCFClks said: true, I think Mac was an inspired appointment in hindsight. I think when Mel appointed Mac, it was mostly to do with football. I think with each passing year commercialisation and "attraction to buyers" have increasingly come into Mel's consideration when making appointments. Mel didn't appoint Mac.... It was still GSE with slippery Sam doing the day to day stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Mel didn't appoint Mac.... It was still GSE with slippery Sam doing the day to day stuff.... Much better off without him, Mel knows what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Much better off without him, Mel knows what he's doing. Yep, the Managers Mel has appointed have done far better than Mac ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 If you have read every other thread on this forum then its surely Tom Lawrences fault for this mess , he usually gets the blame for everything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 A large part of the blame for "how have we ended up with this" unfortunately lies with Mel and his lack of patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Just in case we do stay up, I would like to say that I believed all along that we would stay up. Change stay up to do not stay up as back up plan. I hope that we stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixman1884 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 To put it in incredibly simple terms, Mel's taken us from the best position we've been in in decades (precipice of promotion, young hungry talented squad, free flowing football, high morale, togetherness) to the worse position we've been in decades (mess of a squad, terrible football, precipice of relegation to league 1). Heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 On 22/04/2021 at 10:52, Premier ram said: If you have read every other thread on this forum then its surely Tom Lawrences fault for this mess , he usually gets the blame for everything else Don’t be silly, you are getting your Tom’s muddled......all Inceys fault .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, wixman1884 said: To put it in incredibly simple terms, Mel's taken us from the best position we've been in in decades (precipice of promotion, young hungry talented squad, free flowing football, high morale, togetherness) to the worse position we've been in decades (mess of a squad, terrible football, precipice of relegation to league 1). Heartbreaking. In hindsight, keeping that hungry talented squad together was the beginning of Mel's downfall. Yes those players were important, but it's also a skill to know when to release players at the top of their value, and have in mind their replacements. After QPR at Wembley, Keogh and Bryson should have been allowed to join Burnley. The fees would look silly now, especially as Bryson had a release clause, but we should have been prepared to bank the rumoured £6.5m, and backed ourselves to replace them with the funds, with some left over to meet the inevitable demands from the existing squad for higher wages, given they'd come so close to promotion, and were now higher level Championship footballers, rather than a selection of cast offs and promising but unproven second division players. Instead we tied those players down to contract renewals at wages even Premier League bound Burnley couldn't match. Before you know it everyone else in that squad is knocking on the door and asking where their pay rise is? Over the next year or two, we were treated to a to regular diet of stories from the club of players signing new long term contracts, on presumably improved terms, some of them more than once! We once laughed on here at a £8m bid for Chris Martin from Wolves, and did the same when Brighton bid £4m for Johnny Russell. That's £18.5 of income for players we turned down, around £17m in FFP terms, gave millions of extra wages to, then eventually left the club for nothing. Maybe we'd all have done the same, seeing how close we were to the promised land, take the short term hit to keep the band together, but it's crippled us when the gamble didn't pay off. It's why we sold Hughes for circa £4m quid, and has eventually led us to this position now, 3 games to go and deep in the merde. We've maybe sold 2 first teamers in all that time at their peak value, Hendrick, who was a big gain on the books one assumes, and Vydra, who we probably washed our face on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Rev said: We once laughed on here at a £8m bid for Chris Martin from Wolves, and did the same when Brighton bid £4m for Johnny Russell. That's £18.5 of income for players we turned down, around £17m in FFP terms, gave millions of extra wages to, then eventually left the club for nothing. They cost next to nothing. How much do you think we'd have spent in replacing them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 12:09, Jimbo Ram said: I am just wondering who is taking the decisions at Derby at the moment, Mel or Alonso? If Mel wanted to put Wazza on gardening leave and put Mac in charge for the remaining 3 games, perhaps with some input from Wassall too, which wouldn’t surprise me, could he do that or would it need to be a joint decision with Alonso??? Actually I suspect no one is running the club, it seems more like some sort of paralysis. Mel appears be no longer engaged and is probably hiding behind the sofa as the performances decline each game. I doubt Alonso is involved in any decision making at all, and will probably follow the same path as the Fake Sheikh. Maybe the only senior person at the club with some passion and pride is Steve McClaren, but he has perhaps been told to keep his distance an allow Rooney to get on with it. "Nero fiddles while Rome burns" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, europia said: Actually I suspect no one is running the club, it seems more like some sort of paralysis. Mel appears be no longer engaged and is probably hiding behind the sofa as the performances decline each game. I doubt Alonso is involved in any decision making at all, and will probably follow the same path as the Fake Sheikh. Maybe the only senior person at the club with some passion and pride is Steve McClaren, but he has perhaps been told to keep his distance an allow Rooney to get on with it. "Nero fiddles while Rome burns" Well said, sad that it is a shambles on and off the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: They cost next to nothing. How much do you think we'd have spent in replacing them? No idea Roy. Once we'd turned down the offer for Martin, we then packed him off to spend the rest of that season on loan to Fulham. We obviously invested more money into him, seeing as he signed a new contract extension in December, yet remained at Fulham until the seasons close. He came back, now on even more money, yet was packed off on loan again to Reading. Another failed loan spell, and he was back at PP again, only to be sent out once again to Hull KR, where he didn't play loose forward. He returned to the club under Cocu, and eventually found himself back in the fold to the extent he equalled non scoring fellow forward Martyn Waghorn as the clubs top scorer, but alas was unable to agree terms on a new deal. We didn't have to spend replace him, he was barely ever here and in the team. £8m in the bank, and maybe we could have sourced a replacement for his dozen or so goals in 4 years. https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2016/08/29/wolves-second-bid-for-Derby-forward-chris-martin/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Rev said: We didn't have to spend replace him, he was barely ever here and in the team. £8m in the bank, and maybe we could have sourced a replacement for his dozen or so goals in 4 years. Vydra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 45 minutes ago, Rev said: The fees would look silly now, especially as Bryson had a release clause, but we should have been prepared to bank the rumoured £6.5m, and backed ourselves to replace them with the funds I wouldn't back our recruitment team to do anything. Isn't recruitment a huge part of why we're in the mess we're in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Rev said: “The fees would look silly now, especially as Bryson had a release clause, but we should have been prepared to bank the rumoured £6.5m,” Bryson’s release clause was £750,000, nowhere near £6,500,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Vydra? What about him? Signed for £8m, sold two years later for £11m. Fair business, probably washed our faces on the deal once wages and other costs of employment are taken into account over his two years here. Of course, if his arrival was funded by the departure of a free transfer in an £8m deal the deal looks a lot better when it comes to the accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, cannable said: Bryson’s release clause was £750,000, nowhere near £6,500,000. I was referring to the rumoured combined cost of Keogh and Bryson. Besides, I find it hard to believe that we set a release clause of £750k on a player we'd spent £400k on acquiring. Particularly as he'd since signed a subsequent deal under Nigel's tenure. Maybe it was the amount that lets him talk to interested parties, rather than a release clause, a la Suarez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rev said: I was referring to the rumoured combined cost of Keogh and Bryson. Besides, I find it hard to believe that we set a release clause of £750k on a player we'd spent £400k on acquiring. Particularly as he'd since signed a subsequent deal under Nigel's tenure. Maybe it was the amount that lets him talk to interested parties, rather than a release clause, a la Suarez? I always saw it as; Clough was so incredibly fair to the players that bought into him that he’d put the player before the club. And so; £750,000 buy out clause. Ben Davies missed a third of a season because his dog needed an op ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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