Archied Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, ariotofmyown said: My wife is doing a course that has been online this year, but they are going into the college from next week. One lady preferred the course to carry on online though. She has refused the vaccine (some spurious "Christian" reason) but as she has asthma, she is a bit worried of catching Covid. We have a topic on this forum for mental health which happily is treated with respect and understanding, people’s minds work differently and one mans spurious is another mans prison , how sad for the self proclaimed defenders of minorities and the vulnerable to lack the self awareness to see the contradiction in their words and treatment of others when suits, my wife and both children suffer with ocd , wife really does not want the vaccine ( she has had covid ) , won’t go too deep but over the years we have had the kind of life experiences where if something can go wrong it bloody well has and to some real disastrous heartbreaking extent at times , blood clots are a very small chance side effect but to lots of people they are very real , who am I to tell her to have the vaccine ( had mine to play the game ) and who are you or anybody else to tell her or others to have it ? the saddest part of all this is the divide it has caused in people and it’s only going to get worse , I put that down to the media and the government in equal measure Edited June 2, 2021 by Archied Angry Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Archied said: We have a topic on this forum for mental health which happily is treated with respect and understanding, people’s minds work differently and one mans spurious is another mans prison , how sad for the self proclaimed defenders of minorities and the vulnerable to lack the self awareness to see the contradiction in their words and treatment of others when suits, my wife and both children suffer with ocd , wife really does not want the vaccine ( she has had covid ) , won’t go too deep but over the years we have had the kind of life experiences where if something can go wrong it bloody well has and to some real disastrous heartbreaking extent at times , blood clots are a very small chance side effect but to lots of people they are very real , who am I to tell her to have the vaccine ( had mine to play the game ) and who are you or anybody else to tell her or others to have it ? the saddest part of all this is the divide it has caused in people and it’s only going to get worse , I put that down to the media and the government in equal measure You seem to (deliberately) missing the point of what I posted. Would your wife ask people to stop living their life because she didn't want to take the vaccine? The whole group want to go back into the class, but this one person doesn't want them too because she won't take the vaccine. Surely we should all be living our lives as normal as you have said about 1000 times. I think the saddest part is the 10s of 1000s of lives lost to Covid and the loss of livelihoods and businesses? Millions of people have had the vaccine already. I don't know anyone who hasn't had it and loads who have. I don't think this great vaccine divide is as widespread as you believe. I hope your family are all ok and can get back to normal asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: You seem to (deliberately) missing the point of what I posted. Would your wife ask people to stop living their life because she didn't want to take the vaccine? The whole group want to go back into the class, but this one person doesn't want them too because she won't take the vaccine. Surely we should all be living our lives as normal as you have said about 1000 times. I think the saddest part is the 10s of 1000s of lives lost to Covid and the loss of livelihoods and businesses? Millions of people have had the vaccine already. I don't know anyone who hasn't had it and loads who have. I don't think this great vaccine divide is as widespread as you believe. I hope your family are all ok and can get back to normal asap. I’m not just talking about the vaccine when I talk about the divide, interesting my wife was expected to put herself and her family in the firing line when their was no vaccine which she happily did as she cares for the children she looks after, the numbers of people not wanting the vaccine for whatever reasons relevant to themselves is minuscule and certainly not enough to cause problems , im personally sick to death of the demonising of those people , drummed up by the gov and media mask wearing is another area , the poor sod gets really bad anxiety after about 5 mins in one but by god the reaction you get from people if you take it off even with an exemption is disgusting Edited June 2, 2021 by Archied ramit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Archied said: the numbers of people not wanting the vaccine for whatever reasons relevant to themselves is minuscule and certainly not enough to cause problems , Is it? Isn't that one of the problems causing the 'Indian' variant outbreak clusters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Pissed that Portugal might move to amber. Can't plan a bloody thing at the moment. angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 39 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Pissed that Portugal might move to amber. Can't plan a bloody thing at the moment. Isn't the big risk that one of your party gets a positive test before returning to the UK and is not allowed to travel for 10 days even if it is a green country or have I got this wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Spanish said: Isn't the big risk that one of your party gets a positive test before returning to the UK and is not allowed to travel for 10 days even if it is a green country or have I got this wrong? The rules are confusing but in essence yes. Always a risk that someone tests positive and they won't be able to return. Booked this 2 years ago for late July, nice villa on the Algarve, whole family going for my 60th. Flights booked separate, so might get buggered there with changing etc. Need to check. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: The rules are confusing but in essence yes. Always a risk that someone tests positive and they won't be able to return. Booked this 2 years ago for late July, nice villa on the Algarve, whole family going for my 60th. Flights booked separate, so might get buggered there with changing etc. Need to check. that would be a shame on a big birthday like that. The 60th was always the pivotal birthday for me. It wasn't so bad but when you think the next one is 70, duck me! Angry Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 52 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: The rules are confusing but in essence yes. Always a risk that someone tests positive and they won't be able to return. Booked this 2 years ago for late July, nice villa on the Algarve, whole family going for my 60th. Flights booked separate, so might get buggered there with changing etc. Need to check. But are any of these countries or the UK requiring you to take a test before you leave them in order to return home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 The WHO have never heard of the Nepal Variant. not sure why they’re being asked, Roger is busy with his trout farm and less said about Pete, the better. Eddie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, rammieib said: But are any of these countries or the UK requiring you to take a test before you leave them in order to return home? It is a UK rule for Green list countries Before you leave for the UK You’ll need to: provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken in the 3 days before you leave for the UK complete a passenger locator form Angry Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Portugal to be removed from the green list, then. Mostyn6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Angry Ram said: Pissed that Portugal might move to amber. Can't plan a bloody thing at the moment. That sucks. Even when you account for the smaller population, their case rates are proportionally lower than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, angieram said: That sucks. Even when you account for the smaller population, their case rates are proportionally lower than ours. I doubt whether they would have done this if major elections were due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Bloody hell Boris!!!!! That’s the family holiday cancelled ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 What for Boris? JoetheRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 This doesn't sound much like a "holiday" to me, anyway... Rules in Portugal, copied from BBC live feed thingy: As we've been reporting, Portugal is expected to be moved from the green to the amber list from next week. So what are the rules currently in place for those travelling - or living - there? Face coverings must be worn in public, but aren't required while sunbathing or swimming. Other measures include: Restaurants/pavement cafes can seat six together indoors (10 outdoors) and must close at 22:30 Bars and nightclubs remain closed Shops shut at 21:00 on weekdays and 19:00 at weekends Beaches have one-way systems, sunshades and towels should be three metres apart People are advised to check beach-occupancy levels and avoid "red" and "amber" ones Golf courses, museums and art galleries are open Public transport is limited to two-thirds capacity There are fines of up to €100 (£86) if you breach regulations. Anon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Wolfie said: This doesn't sound much like a "holiday" to me, anyway... Rules in Portugal, copied from BBC live feed thingy: As we've been reporting, Portugal is expected to be moved from the green to the amber list from next week. So what are the rules currently in place for those travelling - or living - there? Face coverings must be worn in public, but aren't required while sunbathing or swimming. Other measures include: Restaurants/pavement cafes can seat six together indoors (10 outdoors) and must close at 22:30 Bars and nightclubs remain closed Shops shut at 21:00 on weekdays and 19:00 at weekends Beaches have one-way systems, sunshades and towels should be three metres apart People are advised to check beach-occupancy levels and avoid "red" and "amber" ones Golf courses, museums and art galleries are open Public transport is limited to two-thirds capacity There are fines of up to €100 (£86) if you breach regulations. Thought the same, was due to fly out on 16th, they were due to change a lot of these rules on 14th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Angry Ram said: The rules are confusing but in essence yes. Always a risk that someone tests positive and they won't be able to return. Booked this 2 years ago for late July, nice villa on the Algarve, whole family going for my 60th. Flights booked separate, so might get buggered there with changing etc. Need to check. Hope you can all still go. Difficult to understand why so strict on Portugal now but weren't with India when they were had a fast spreading variant. Angry Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Hope you can all still go. Difficult to understand why so strict on Portugal now but weren't with India when they were had a fast spreading variant. Boris wasn't planning on attending a summit and announcing a trade deal with Portugal? ariotofmyown, I know nothing and Spanish 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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