ariotofmyown Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Some interesting stuff on here and pretty balanced. Thought point 9 was really interesting how some people seem to spread it much worse than others. Perhaps just down to the viral load? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/10/covid-by-numbers-10-key-lessons-separating-fact-from-fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 44 minutes ago, sage said: its gone up around 20% in the last 30 days. As we are also potentially looking at a really bad flu season , what is wrong with wearing masks in shops and on public transport? Ditto what @TexasRam says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, sage said: its gone up around 20% in the last 30 days. As we are also potentially looking at a really bad flu season , what is wrong with wearing masks in shops and on public transport? Why? I remember quite clearly that over the last 18 months the lockdowns were done to save lives. Are you now telling us that it is going to cost lives from other illnesses? Well who would have predicted that... Edited October 15, 2021 by G STAR RAM Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 hours ago, TexasRam said: Nothing wrong with it if that’s what people want to do. I personally don’t think it should be mandatory. There are problems with that premise. The first is that masks help stop spreading, so the choice is with the potential spreader not the potential catcher. Is someone's right not to wear a mask stronger than someone's right to go in shops and on trains without others putting them at risk? Secondly, Europe has prettyuch opened up but has had stricter mask rules. Their infection rates and death are a fraction of ours. Not mandating mask wearing is effectively planning for herd immunity which if is the case, ought to be admitted to by the government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, sage said: There are problems with that premise. The first is that masks help stop spreading, so the choice is with the potential spreader not the potential catcher. Is someone's right not to wear a mask stronger than someone's right to go in shops and on trains without others putting them at risk? Secondly, Europe has prettyuch opened up but has had stricter mask rules. Their infection rates and death are a fraction of ours. Not mandating mask wearing is effectively planning for herd immunity which if is the case, ought to be admitted to by the government The majority of the population have been double jabbed, those who haven’t have taken that decision and own personal risk. So what are we stopping spreading, a virus that with vaccination is no worse than a mild bout of flu. So what risk do you speak of? If people want to wear them, then ok, if people don’t want to then ok also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, TexasRam said: The majority of the population have been double jabbed, those who haven’t have taken that decision and own personal risk. So what are we stopping spreading, a virus that with vaccination is no worse than a mild bout of flu. So what risk do you speak of? If people want to wear them, then ok, if people don’t want to then ok also. Why not just do it? Why risk that it has no positive effect? It really isn’t difficult or so intrusive. And later when there’s more scientific evidence one way or another you can say ‘told you so’ or ‘glad I did it’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Why not just do it? Why risk that it has no positive effect? It really isn’t difficult or so intrusive. And later when there’s more scientific evidence one way or another you can say ‘told you so’ or ‘glad I did it’. Didn’t say I don’t or won’t, I said I don’t think it should be mandatory that’s all. Let’s just get back to pre Covid ways of living and dealing with viruses etc, but if people want to wear them, great no issues from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, sage said: There are problems with that premise. The first is that masks help stop spreading, so the choice is with the potential spreader not the potential catcher. Is someone's right not to wear a mask stronger than someone's right to go in shops and on trains without others putting them at risk? Secondly, Europe has prettyuch opened up but has had stricter mask rules. Their infection rates and death are a fraction of ours. Not mandating mask wearing is effectively planning for herd immunity which if is the case, ought to be admitted to by the government Do I have the right to cross the road without motorists putting me at risk ? Angry Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 28 minutes ago, TexasRam said: Didn’t say I don’t or won’t, I said I don’t think it should be mandatory that’s all. Let’s just get back to pre Covid ways of living and dealing with viruses etc, but if people want to wear them, great no issues from me. We might get back to where we were precovid but you can't pretend it hasn't happened - the world has changed. We have to change with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 52 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Why not just do it? Why risk that it has no positive effect? It really isn’t difficult or so intrusive. And later when there’s more scientific evidence one way or another you can say ‘told you so’ or ‘glad I did it’. Because people DO NOT want to live they’re lives in masks , if I see someone in a mask I assume they are either vulnerable or feel vulnerable without one , I keep my distance and that’s far better than the farce of flimsy on and off paper masks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: We might get back to where we were precovid but you can't pretend it hasn't happened - the world has changed. We have to change with it. Why do w, what for ? Isn’t that what the vaccine program is for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: We might get back to where we were precovid but you can't pretend it hasn't happened - the world has changed. We have to change with it. No , the world has not changed , we have some people trying to force it to change for others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: We might get back to where we were precovid but you can't pretend it hasn't happened - the world has changed. We have to change with it. Pretend what hasn’t happened? That 130 , 000 ( if figures including death within 28 days of a positive test ) are to be taken as gospel ,over a two year period from a population of 77 million , most of those being at an age and or poor medical state so as to render them vulnerable to death from many many illnesses , coupled with a crazy policy of putting infected people into care homes to spread it like wildfire to those most vulnerable , now EVERY death is sad and should not be dismissed but please let’s have some proper perspective, let’s have some balance and care for deaths caused and to be caused by covid restrictions, what has happened does not warrant people telling everyone that they’re lives must change and we can not return to normal living and that very much includes people having to walk round in stupid paper masks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, Archied said: No , the world has not changed , we have some people trying to force it to change for others Unfortunately the other poster is correct, the world has changed. The rich and powerful have managed to wrestle away more wealth and power at the same time as convincing a lot of people that its in their best interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Archied said: Pretend what hasn’t happened? That 130 , 000 ( if figures including death within 28 days of a positive test ) are to be taken as gospel ,over a two year period from a population of 77 million , most of those being at an age and or poor medical state so as to render them vulnerable to death from many many illnesses , coupled with a crazy policy of putting infected people into care homes to spread it like wildfire to those most vulnerable , now EVERY death is sad and should not be dismissed but please let’s have some proper perspective, let’s have some balance and care for deaths caused and to be caused by covid restrictions, what has happened does not warrant people telling everyone that they’re lives must change and we can not return to normal living and that very much includes people having to walk round in stupid paper masks You're not dead then? I'm bored with whatever it is you're trying to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: You're not dead then? I'm bored with whatever it is you're trying to prove. I'm intrigued as to where you're headed with this one. Attempting to convince someone that they're dead is quite a bold gambit. i-Ram and Stive Pesley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, Anon said: I'm intrigued as to where you're headed with this one. Attempting to convince someone that they're dead is quite a bold gambit. Nothing matters does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: You're not dead then? I'm bored with whatever it is you're trying to prove. Not trying to prove anything ,just not prepared to accept without reply the wildly out of proportion rubbish posted by those that want to force they’re will on others no matter how much that bores me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 14/10/2021 at 22:42, sage said: If we don't make masks mandatory by the end of the month, we will end up with another lockdown by the end of the year. We could go down the Oz route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TexasRam said: We could go down the Oz route Why not, seems lovely... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/15/melbourne-embraced-zero-covid-now-remains-isolated-world-bounces/ For those that cba to click on the link, some highlights... - Melbourne holds the dubious record of being the most locked-down city in the world – 260 days and counting. - The twitching curtain brigade, encouraged by government campaigns urging them to inform on their neighbours, watch for rule-breakers and use special hotlines to summon the police. - Masks are mandatory outdoors even if walking on a windswept beach or a deserted street. Those caught disobeying may be fined, handcuffed, forcibly masked and arrested if they refuse to comply. - Getting into Australia has been near-impossible. Getting out requires a North Korea-style exit permit. Border closures have separated families and caused untold hardship. Babies have died, unable to access urgent medical attention at the nearest hospital across a locked state border. - While deaths have remained low, other metrics paint a disastrous picture. Psychologists and GPs report a surge in substance abuse, eating disorders, domestic and child abuse, truancy, depression, anxiety and self-harm. Edited October 17, 2021 by maxjam Angry Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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