Dimmu Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Sad but true. We've been as poor as Wycombe or notts forest. What you think is the reason for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dimmu said: Sad but true. We've been as poor as Wycombe or notts forest. What you think is the reason for this? the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, DRBee said: the manager. No that’s wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Curtains said: No that’s wrong Que Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 We haven't played the same CBs in any of the 4 league games? Change in formation too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 The sad truth is our failure so far to adequately replace Keogh - for his ability to defend, organize the other defenders and carry the ball forward out of defence. It may be that Dutch Mike evolves into that player - we have to give him time to become acclimatized to the Championship. It may be Evans evolves into that cultured, ball-playing centre half. It may be we need Fozzy to force his way back into the starting 11. It's unlikely Curtis will get five years younger. Perhaps Wisdom or Clark can grow into the role of marshalling and dominating the defence that I feel they don't do at the moment, but could both be capable of. The scary thing about these stats is that, as well as conceding the most chances, we generate the fewest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dimmu said: Sad but true. We've been as poor as Wycombe or notts forest. What you think is the reason for this? What are "Big chances conceded"? We've conceded 8 so far this season, 2 of which were Johnson's long range efforts which I doubt can be considered "big chances" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Oh goodness is this another Cocu bashing thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: What are "Big chances conceded"? We've conceded 8 so far this season, 2 of which were Johnson's long range efforts which I doubt can be considered "big chances" ? This is secretly another "expected goals" thread. The caption points to these being chances where there's a greater than 35% chance of scoring. So we'd have expected to concede three or more goals from these opportunities so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 For me it’s a small sample size. Add in that without firepower up front, we play too much of the time on the back foot. Add some spice to the front and the defence is less exposed. Sure we have weaknesses but they are exaggerated as we play an over large percentage of the game in our own half. .. I am not seriously worried by our defence. The midfield and attack need to relieve the pressure and the stats will swing the other way. . Hate 2 deep sitting mids .. it’s a ticket to surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I'd question the credibility of these stats. Blackburn have a 0 score yet in the first few minutes against them, Bird had a great chance to score and i would expect a goal from that move 2 out of 3 times. Doesn't disguise the fact that we had been poor in the first 3 league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboto Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Man City have conceded 7 in 3 games. Man Utd 11 in 3. Liverpool 11 in 4. I know that's a different league, but these guys have spent millions on defenders and goalkeepers. It's so early in the season all stats are going to look skewed. Most important stat is points won and we have 3 so far. Not as much as we would've liked, but we had a slow start last season and then started to get better, and that was with a considerably worse squad (opinion based on expected quality of incoming players vs players we've lost and how vital they were to us last season). We defended well against Norwich, so we now know we can grind results out. The Blackburn game was a freak, much like Liverpool would say about the Villa game, Man U would say about the Spurs game and Man City would say about the Leicester game. Do those one off results make Pep and Klopp bad managers? (Omitted Ole for obvious reasons ?) Do those one off results make Virgil Van Dijk and Nathan Ake bad defenders? (Omitted Maguire for obvious reasons ?) Do those one off results cost more than 3 points over a full season? I don't care if we're top of this negative table just now, as long as we aren't top of it after the next month or two of matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just wait and see what Klopp does and copy them. At least we haven’t conceded 7 in a game yet. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Curtains said: Oh goodness is this another Cocu bashing thread. Or a Chris Martin thread? If we still had CM, he could have held the ball up so long that the opposition never had an opportunity to create a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said: This is secretly another "expected goals" thread. The caption points to these being chances where there's a greater than 35% chance of scoring. So we'd have expected to concede three or more goals from these opportunities so far this season. Based purely on xG, we would have drawn the first game 1-1, Luton and Blackburn would have been 2-2 (possibly a 2-1 win and 2-1 loss) and a 2-0 or 2-1 vs Norwich. Total xG scores are 4.2 for and 6.5 against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: I'd question the credibility of these stats. Blackburn have a 0 score yet in the first few minutes against them, Bird had a great chance to score and i would expect a goal from that move 2 out of 3 times. Doesn't disguise the fact that we had been poor in the first 3 league games. Not sure how many of those are 35% or greater, but Dylan's opener was worth 0.5 despite being a few yards out with an open net. Looks like Bird's was about 0.25 when it was pretty much cleared off the line by the defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: I'd question the credibility of these stats. Blackburn have a 0 score yet in the first few minutes against them, Bird had a great chance to score and i would expect a goal from that move 2 out of 3 times. Doesn't disguise the fact that we had been poor in the first 3 league games. Totally agree. What about Buchanan’s header from 3 yards out. Surely that was a big chance. Can’t be bothered with data like this - the league table is all you need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bristol City Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 How accurate is this? Ours is wrong, we've only conceded two Edit: Help if I read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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