Pearl Ram Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Doesn’t deserve to be slagged off either and as for him that’s disgusted by Anya, there’s stuff going on in our country these days, for example adults spitting and coughing at old bill, and ladies collecting tickets at train stations but nah, you be disgusted by a bloke just taking what was fairly negotiated. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Pearl Ram said: Doesn’t deserve to be slagged off either and as for him that’s disgusted by Anya, there’s stuff going on in our country these days, for example adults spitting and coughing at old bill, and ladies collecting tickets at train stations but nah, you be disgusted by a bloke just taking what was fairly negotiated. ? Assuming that it was aimed at me, this is a purely football related thing and linking it to the obvious scumbags spitting at someone isn't hugely relevant to the point. Nobody is pretending he's murdered anybody or committed a heinous crime, I'm sure he's a nice bloke. I just would prefer him to be out the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Andicis said: He is earning a huge amount of money and not offering anything in return. And if you believe Ed Dawes, turning down loan deals which would take some of the cost away from Derby. As I said, if he wants to sit on his huge contract then of course that's up to him, but he absolutely does not deserve the pity party. The guy is a multi millionaire earning a huge sum for doing nothing. He doesn't deserve sympathy. What if he signed for Derby in all good faith, gave it his all and then was told he wouldn't be picked regardless of merit as further starts would trigger a payment that his employer wasn't willing to make? Would you toodle off with a cheerio, taking a much lower salary, saving the club who'd bought you then couldn't fulfil their part of the bargain a small fortune, or would you stick it out knowing it was the last decent contract you would get, and it wasn't totally your fault you weren't playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: What if he signed for Derby in all good faith, gave it his all and then was told he wouldn't be picked regardless of merit as further starts would trigger a payment that his employer wasn't willing to make? Would you toodle off with a cheerio, taking a much lower salary, saving the club who'd bought you then couldn't fulfil their part of the bargain a small fortune, or would you stick it out knowing it was the last decent contract you would get, and it wasn't totally your fault you weren't playing? As I've said multiple times on this thread, it's his prerogative to take the money. I have no issue with that. But I don't think he should expect fan support for that decision either. He can't have it both ways. Though I hardly believe that many managers we've had since he was signed that none of them fancied him if his attitude was stellar, but that's just a theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Andicis said: Assuming that it was aimed at me, this is a purely football related thing and linking it to the obvious scumbags spitting at someone isn't hugely relevant to the point. Nobody is pretending he's murdered anybody or committed a heinous crime, I'm sure he's a nice bloke. I just would prefer him to be out the club. It was actually aimed at the poster who is disgusted by Anya, I pointed a couple of examples of what disgusts me, to be disgusted by Anya is a bit over the top to me, be cheesed off, sure but to me, to be disgusted by someone they’d have to do something pretty bad, I don’t think Anya is doing anything bad. ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 54 minutes ago, Andicis said: He is earning a huge amount of money and not offering anything in return. And if you believe Ed Dawes, turning down loan deals which would take some of the cost away from Derby. As I said, if he wants to sit on his huge contract then of course that's up to him, but he absolutely does not deserve the pity party. The guy is a multi millionaire earning a huge sum for doing nothing. He doesn't deserve sympathy. I wouldn't believe anything Ed Dawes has to say. Not a very good point of reference in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Ram Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Pearl Ram said: It was actually aimed at the poster who is disgusted by Anya, I pointed a couple of examples of what disgusts me, to be disgusted by Anya is a bit over the top to me, be cheesed off, sure but to me, to be disgusted by someone they’d have to do something pretty bad, I don’t think Anya is doing anything bad. ?♂️ Must be me then ! This post is in a forum regarding Derby County not Crimewatch . i agree wholeheartedly with your off topic comparisons by the way . Why not chuck in the Yorkshire Ripper as a worse example too ? Anyway , back to DCFC matters , and i stand by my opinion about Anya . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Live and let live. not fussed in the slightest tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 On 13/05/2020 at 23:21, Seaside Ram said: If he has worked hard in training then surely a full international would have made a matchday 18 sometime in 2years under two different managers ? More like he is doing the bare minimum to just keep grabbing money , money and more money ! Surely he will disappear from football in July , who on earth would employ him now ? Ok let me ask you this? What do you think of Martin???? I grant you he went out on loan, but he certainly did not figure for at least 2 years. Why? because he didn't fit the mould. This is not Martin's fault nor is it Anya's. You keep banging on about money money money, but to be honest Anya will probably move on soon and as you said who will employ him? So when you say he just grabbing money, I would have thought it would have been in his own interest to go out on loan to prove to prospective clubs that he can still play. For what ever reason this has not happened, but I doubt it is Anya sulking. All your rhetoric is based on your own biased notions and maybe from being a follower and jumping on the back of others thoughts. I am sure Anya is as equally frustrated at how his career has gone at Derby and maybe he has a right to be a bit peed off with those who recruited him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Only one person to blame for paying Anya £1.5 million a year. Yosemite Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 On 13/05/2020 at 19:48, Millenniumram said: Ok, I’ll be that guy - I don’t blame him. He’s never once, to my knowledge, made himself unavailable to play. He’s just not been picked by the managers who’ve been in charge. What more can he do? All he can do is work hard in training and try to impress - it’s not his fault if he’s not good enough/ not suited to the team. The people to blame for that are the incompetent recruitment team we had around that time. I’ve got absolutely no problem with Anya personally - it’s not like he’s a known troublemaker, he’s been very professional playing with the U23s. I’d be extremely annoyed if I was Mel, with all that money being wasted - but I wouldn’t be annoyed at Anya, I’d be annoyed at whoever bought him. It was an appalling piece of recruitment, simple as that - and far from the only one around that time. I mean a 4 year contract ffs! I believe, although cannot back it up with solid evidence, that Derby agreed for him to go on loan to Barnsley and he refused to go. Didnt he also get the PFA involved? I have no problem with what he is doing by the way. Our fault for giving him such a stupid contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: I believe, although cannot back it up with solid evidence, that Derby agreed for him to go on loan to Barnsley and he refused to go. Didnt he also get the PFA involved? I have no problem with what he is doing by the way. Our fault for giving him such a stupid contract. It’s not something I’ve heard, but you might be right. As I say, probably doesn’t reflect too well on his character that he doesn’t want to play football, but he’s well within his rights to just earn the money we offered him. I’ve not heard the PFA story either? The only player I remember allegedly getting the PFA involved was Bryson trying to force through his move to Burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I've always got the impression that, basically, his face doesn't fit, or rather his personalty doesn't. He's never been your typical footballer-type, not 'one of the lads' so if he isn't being selected by the manager he's probably not all that involved in the group as a whole; A bit of a culture clash, completely different background, education, hobbies & interests to everyone else in the locker room and you'll stick out like a sore thumb. You could have all the footballing skill and ability in the world but if you can't stand being around that sort of lad culture, awful music, pissy beer, line-ups of shots, casinos, clubs, youthful arrogance, cheating with each others' WAGS, treating women like poo and all that malarkey it's going to be pretty difficult for you to ingratiate yourself into the group, that's if you even want to. Obviously not all footballers are like that, there are plenty of personality types but at the same time, there's always going to be a degree of that aggressive, macho competitiveness, it's a professional sport. Some players can adapt to different dressing rooms because they've got a strong enough character (or they're simply the best player in their position at the club) to overcome any such issues, some aren't. Some managers will accept that a player doesn't necessarily get along with the rest of the squad and include them, some managers will only want the tight knit little community of players working together and exclude any 'outsiders' from first team activities. From his perspective maybe he doesn't think it's worth jumping from the frying pan into the fire? The Watford squad he performed well in was a lot more multicultural than ours, so maybe that suited him. There could be all sorts of reasons for him not wanting to move and restart all over again until it's an enforced situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Coconut said: You could have all the footballing skill and ability in the world but if you can't stand being around that sort of lad culture, awful music, pissy beer, line-ups of shots, casinos, clubs, youthful arrogance, cheating with each others' WAGS, treating women like poo and all that malarkey it's going to be pretty difficult for you to ingratiate yourself into the group, that's if you even want to. This is why I've never really fit in with the other mods to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Why should Anya jump through a load of hoops because Derby as a club were daft enough to stick him on a long term deal with huge wages? He can and has set himself and his family up for years. As soon as he signs that contract (unless there is a clause in there that states the amount of appearances impacts his salary) then he is entitled to the money. If we want to get rid of him part way through that we either have to pay him off or find him an alternative that he will accept, we have done neither of those things. Wether you agree with it or not asking Anya to kiss goodbye to that cash out of some altruistic "do it for the fans and the club" attitude is just daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 All that 'we gave him the contract' shenanigans is right enough, but if a bloke turns up at your work on more money than you, ducks around the place all day not doing a stroke, calls in sick half the time and occasionally goes and makes a test piece with the apprentices...you'd think he was a bamford. Reason being, he's a bamford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Turns out I actually type 'bamford' now, without thinking. Larks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, Needlesh said: All that 'we gave him the contract' shenanigans is right enough, but if a bloke turns up at your work on more money than you, ducks around the place all day not doing a stroke, calls in sick half the time and occasionally goes and makes a test piece with the apprentices...you'd think he was a bamford. Reason being, he's a bamford. I'd think he was a Bamford, but then I'd take a long hard look at myself and ask why my employer sees fit to pay that person more than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 In 20 years time when the likes of Bennett’s selling the last of the flash motors coz the money’s running out and Anya’s slipping over to Switzerland to visit his money, who’s going to be the Bamford then ? Put the family’s future first and duck the moaning gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Duracell said: You could have all the footballing skill and ability in the world but if you can't stand being around that sort of lad culture, awful music, pissy beer, line-ups of shots, casinos, clubs, youthful arrogance, cheating with each others' WAGS, treating women like poo and all that malarkey it's going to be pretty difficult for you to ingratiate yourself into the group, that's if you even want to. 2 hours ago, Duracell said: This is why I've never really fit in with the other mods to be honest. Cant be helped that most of us are too old for all that sort of shenanigans, bloody jealous of you though........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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