Andrew3000 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 A great listen. God I miss football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Ellafella said: A journalist friend of mine who was close to QPR at Wembley that day said QPR were literally “punching the air” when they saw the Derby team sheet without Bryson . . . It gave them a lift to see him not on the pitch. I couldn’t believe it either. With Bryson we’d have won. Simple as that. I’m not sure it’s quite as clear cut as that. As McClaren says, he wanted us to control the game. We saw how badly we were overrun in the Brighton first leg without Hughes. Even with Hughes the first half at Wembley was cagey but even. We didn’t really boss the game until the second half. So then it comes down to Bryson and Hendrick. Jeff actually scored as many as Bryson in the second half of 13/14. The majority of Bryson’s goals were scored by the end of Boxing Day, he only scored four in open play from then on that season. So I think McClaren was probably right to base it on who he felt would give us greater control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, cannable said: I’m not sure it’s quite as clear cut as that. As McClaren says, he wanted us to control the game. We saw how badly we were overrun in the Brighton first leg without Hughes. Even with Hughes the first half at Wembley was cagey but even. We didn’t really boss the game until the second half. So then it comes down to Bryson and Hendrick. Jeff actually scored as many as Bryson in the second half of 13/14. The majority of Bryson’s goals were scored by the end of Boxing Day, he only scored four in open play from then on that season. So I think McClaren was probably right to base it on who he felt would give us greater control. You say “McClaren was probably right . . . “ but we lost the game. QED. As Mac said in the interview Richard Dunne had a brilliant game for QPR but had we got Bryson running late into the box we’d have punctured them. No question in my mind . . . QPR had Bryson down as the key man to stop so they were buoyed by his exclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ellafella said: You say “McClaren was probably right . . . “ but we lost the game. QED. As Mac said in the interview Richard Dunne had a brilliant game for QPR but had we got Bryson running late into the box we’d have punctured them. No question in my mind . . . QPR had Bryson down as the key man to stop so they were buoyed by his exclusion. This is the only thing we can prove, we lost. Everything else is conjecture. Maybe Bryson would have had a mare, maybe they'd crunch him and he goes off injured, maybe, maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 35 minutes ago, Ellafella said: You say “McClaren was probably right . . . “ but we lost the game. QED. As Mac said in the interview Richard Dunne had a brilliant game for QPR but had we got Bryson running late into the box we’d have punctured them. No question in my mind . . . QPR had Bryson down as the key man to stop so they were buoyed by his exclusion. But perhaps with Bryson over Hughes then it’s QPR who dictate the game? So Bryson’s doing his running off the ball anyway… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, cannable said: But perhaps with Bryson over Hughes then it’s QPR who dictate the game? So Bryson’s doing his running off the ball anyway… Who said anything about replacing Hughes? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Who said anything about replacing Hughes? ? McClaren said it was between Hughes and Bryson, Jeff was guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Loved listening to it and cannot wait to hear the second part. How we didn't get promoted in either 13-14/14-15 I'll never quite know. It took an amazing only Derby size amount of bad luck for us not to have been promoted with the squads we had in those two seasons. McClaren as a manager is very topsy turvy, when he gets it right he's able to do incredible things like win championships as he did in Holland but it's a big big risk and one that often goes horribly wrong. It's always tempting to go back because of what he did but it's better to leave it in the past and remember it fondly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thederbyram Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Imagine him as Cocu's assistant though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, thederbyram said: Imagine him as Cocu's assistant though..... Double Dutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew3000 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 8 hours ago, cannable said: I’m not sure it’s quite as clear cut as that. As McClaren says, he wanted us to control the game. We saw how badly we were overrun in the Brighton first leg without Hughes. Even with Hughes the first half at Wembley was cagey but even. We didn’t really boss the game until the second half. So then it comes down to Bryson and Hendrick. Jeff actually scored as many as Bryson in the second half of 13/14. The majority of Bryson’s goals were scored by the end of Boxing Day, he only scored four in open play from then on that season. So I think McClaren was probably right to base it on who he felt would give us greater control. I think Bryson seemed more effective overall than Hendrick that year. Hendrick did not control the play more as far as i recall, so for me, not the right call. Bryson also claimed McLaren did not communicate this decision well. Still, he regrets it, sound pained, so fair dos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew3000 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 hours ago, cannable said: McClaren said it was between Hughes and Bryson, Jeff was guaranteed. Well that was silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Cheers @Steve Bloomer's Washing that was a great listen. Good questions and honest, frank answers. Looking forward to the follow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 18:59, Steve Bloomer's Washing said: We'll see what we can do! We did chat to him briefly outside the away end at Brentford in Sept, and he said he was up for it... but that was before he sacked our captain, we got charged by the EFL and there was a global pandemic. Excuses excuses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I so like these older gentleman in this beautiful game. I could listen to Mac, Eric Steel, Cocu etc for ages. Compare them to bit younger generation we've had: Rowett, Pearson and Clement or even Clough. They are more or less arrogant and certainly not classy gentleman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dimmu said: I so like these older gentleman in this beautiful game. I could listen to Mac, Eric Steel, Cocu etc for ages. Compare them to bit younger generation we've had: Rowett, Pearson and Clement or even Clough. They are more or less arrogant and certainly not classy gentleman. Pearson is older than Clement, Rowett and Cocu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: Pearson is older than Clement, Rowett and Cocu! Oh wow. My bad. So biologically yes, he is older. On the other news, Trump should be older than my next door 5-year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Dimmu said: I so like these older gentleman in this beautiful game. I could listen to Mac, Eric Steel, Cocu etc for ages. Compare them to bit younger generation we've had: Rowett, Pearson and Clement or even Clough. They are more or less arrogant and certainly not classy gentleman. I get what you mean, but isn't some of it just a case of being older having a bit more perspective? I know I'm marginally less of a nob than I once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I get what you mean, but isn't some of it just a case of being older having a bit more perspective? I know I'm marginally less of a nob than I once was. Definitely. Perspective is the thing, which I respect a lot. Unfortunately, it seem to lack from these thugs like Pearson or Roy Keane. That also tells it doens't come granted so good on you getting there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Great listen that,really enjoyed his honesty and insight over both his tenures with us. Reinforced my view that he shouldn’t have been sacked on either occasion and we would be a lot further ahead as a club if we had just stuck with him. And yes,I’d love to see him coaching with Cocu,a match made in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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