Coronavirus

[Bound 2 tease]

46 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

The economics really is important if you want your utilities to work and there to be food on the shelves. Some people have to be able to go to work.

That's the same with healthcare workers on the front line. It's no good if they have to be off to look after their kids.

But there's another good reason. If you just shut everything down to try and stop it, as soon as you relax that it starts up again. Schoolkids are not vulnerable to the disease in that it has no ill effects  on them. If they get it and then are over it they will become immune (at least temporarily depending on whether and how fast the virus mutates) and then can no longer help spread it to those who are vulnerable. If 90% of the population can potentially spread it, then it will spread like wildfire. If kids become immune and only 65% of the population can then spread it, it massively slows the spread and flattens the curve. That could save thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands of lives.

Simplistic flaw in the theory, and a different perspective. 

 

What happens to the children during the contagious stage of the virus ? Surely they'll spread it amongst themselves, as they're confined closely together within schools. Then take the virus home , infect their families and anybody else who comes into contact with them ? ......The healthcare worker argument makes no sense, if their own children infect them....

 

Then there's the risk to teachers, they're being asked to care for 1000's of little coronavirus incubators (pupils).....making teaching currently the most dangerous profession in the country. These teachers have families too.

 

I'm not sure where the 65% figure comes from, but a 25% infection rate (kids) , will quickly become much higher if you add families into the equation, and then virus will spread like wildfire.

 

 

 

[Norman]

15 minutes ago, David said:

 

Good. poo 'sport', poo suits, poo dresses, too much fake tan, 5'2 midgets starving themselves and taking their anger out on a horses arse, before trying to jump over a load of conifer cuttings. 

[uttoxram75]

1 minute ago, Norman said:

Good. poo 'sport', poo suits, poo dresses, too much fake tan, 5'2 midgets starving themselves and taking their anger out on a horses arse, before trying to jump over a load of conifer cuttings. 

Totally agree.

 

I backed a ducking donkey last week anorl.......

[Pearl Ram]

The horse I backed last week said to the jockey “what are you hitting me with that stick for ? There’s nobody behind us” ?

[Day]

No bog roll, now no tiger roll.

Yes I stole that from Twitter.

[Bob The Badger]

1 hour ago, David said:

Maybe thats Bob the Badgers secret symptom? ?

Anyhow, I'm on medication that can lower your immune system, possibly why I got suuuuuper ill

My secret symptom is people losing all rational thought and turning into conspiracy theorists. 

I'll start a whip round for toilet roll for you. 

[Day]

2 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

My secret symptom is people losing all rational thought and turning into conspiracy theorists. 

I'll start a whip round for toilet roll for you. 

It’s alright, I raided Tesco last week, still got around 160 left which should see me through 

[Carl Sagan]

41 minutes ago, Bound 2 tease said:

Simplistic flaw in the theory, and a different perspective.

What happens to the children during the contagious stage of the virus ? Surely they'll spread it amongst themselves, as they're confined closely together within schools. Then take the virus home , infect their families and anybody else who comes into contact with them ? ......The healthcare worker argument makes no sense, if their own children infect them....

Then there's the risk to teachers, they're being asked to care for 1000's of little coronavirus incubators (pupils).....making teaching currently the most dangerous profession in the country. These teachers have families too.

I'm not sure where the 65% figure comes from, but a 25% infection rate (kids) , will quickly become much higher if you add families into the equation, and then virus will spread like wildfire.

It's a numbers game and however you work it people will die. What the government is trying to do is reduce the number of people who die. There are no good choices. But I would argue it's a far better choice to slow the overall spread and flatten the curve.

Being controversial but thinking outside of the box as we might have to, there's another argument that fit heathcare workers might volunteer to become infected now so when the peak hits in a few weeks' time they'll be able to work nonstop without being taken off the frontline to quarantine. This should probably be suggested.

In the presser today we were told Public Health England is working hard and well on a test to show who has already been ill and come out the other side. Knowing this would be absolutely transformative in terms of how we manage the spread. It's the key piece of data we don't have and will inform future strategy once we start getting results. Should come in the next couple of weeks. Really we need to stay strong and socially distance until then.

[jono]

2 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Sorry mate. Not sure if your talking generically or that's specific too me.  Personally,I don't have a political agenda, others may. I deal with facts as there presented from a reasonable source.  Kind of what I do for a living. 

Being generic .. but so many facts are now added to, or given an angle to justify a political position, make nuisance, reinforce prejudice or generate conspiracy theories that sell copy. Even the most reliable sources need to be questioned and the detail looked at. Yeah, maybe an American CEO of a German co, floated something and seems to have been smacked down BTW, this gets reported as US want seize vaccine and isolate the world from the only cure ...blah blah blah ... A grain of half truth ends up as something completely different and pretty malign. 
 

[Uptherams]

I'm very interested in the proposals for supermarkets and retailers opening to the elderly/disabled at earlier times compared to the general public. More of this kind of attitude. People coming up with solutions, not problems. 

Just like the governments call to arms to manufacturers to build ventilators. 

[TuffLuff]

58 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Where are the death statistics or have they just been put down to 'heavy cold' as Smith Tavern would have it?!

When I read an article on this coronavirus outbreak they told of the Chinese doctors who noticed a new Sars-like virus in Wuhan, but were silenced by govt officials, which was later id'ed as Covid-19. Surely there would have been similar evidence here. All this sounds too much like 'urban mythologizing', where's Snoops?!

I don’t think there’s a cover up like what allegedly happened in China though, it’s more that the government haven’t acted quickly enough so there wasn’t a basic procedure in place and little consistently with what is happening elsewhere. If there were concerns of a virus in China during November then the chances it was here and other places would logically be high. It would have been impossible to contain. I’m not a health expert but I’d guess that cases in the UK at that time were so isolated that it probably was taken as a bad cold or flu but I have no idea really. 

[A Ram for All Seasons]

25 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

Being controversial but thinking outside of the box as we might have to, there's another argument that fit heathcare workers might volunteer to become infected now so when the peak hits in a few weeks' time they'll be able to work nonstop without being taken off the frontline to quarantine. This should probably be suggested.

I suppose it's a bit like anti-vax, only there's no vaccine to refuse.

[Bubbles]

UEFA demanding 275 MILLION compensation from clubs to delay euros to next year

[Uptherams]

25 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

It's a numbers game and however you work it people will die. What the government is trying to do is reduce the number of people who die. There are no good choices. But I would argue it's a far better choice to slow the overall spread and flatten the curve.

Being controversial but thinking outside of the box as we might have to, there's another argument that fit heathcare workers might volunteer to become infected now so when the peak hits in a few weeks' time they'll be able to work nonstop without being taken off the frontline to quarantine. This should probably be suggested.

In the presser today we were told Public Health England is working hard and well on a test to show who has already been ill and come out the other side. Knowing this would be absolutely transformative in terms of how we manage the spread. It's the key piece of data we don't have and will inform future strategy once we start getting results. Should come in the next couple of weeks. Really we need to stay strong and socially distance until then.

Very interesting points. I've also come across the idea that people who are elderly and vulnerable, who can't care for themselves, but are not in care homes, could take up accommodation in hotels for a few months, paid for by the government but at discounted rates. 

[Uptherams]

1 hour ago, TuffLuff said:

I saw this earlier today and had to go find it again (had to type ‘headmistress into twitter an had to search through a lot of profiles of people who were...well...I’ve ruined my algorithm let’s put it that way)

It’s not just this one tweet that makes me think it was here long before, it’s surely logic that it was being spread around the world through air travel before they were able to get a grip on it and those remnants have slowly spread. 

Im not saying you defo had it either mate, whatever you had it sounds like it was bloody nasty.

Side note, but congratations on the engagement!

I'd be interested to see what the CMO has to say on this in the next few days. They need to be on top of this. If it turns out that many people have already had this, then it changes the projections and modelling considerably and offers us a boost in this fight. 

[ram1964]

Firstly my thoughts to all those effected by this virus, those that have lost or will lose loved ones and too all those that will be financially scarred throughout the coming months by not being able to work or make a living through the knock on effects of this virus.

May i say that on visiting my local supermarket on Friday evening to do my normal weekly shop. How disgusted I was to discover it had been ravished by the selfish and thoughtless who had been bulk buying. Surely this behaviour only creates panic ,and unnecessary problems. I noticed an elderly couple who were noticeably upset and appeared confused in the store as they couldn't find any of their foods. These people may not have the opportunity to visit other stores or indeed be in a position to bulk buy? Some times I really dispise the irrational thoughtless and selfish behaviour of people and by the appearance of the store it wasn't the minority that had been bulk buying.

The world appears to have gone mad! Surely common sense requires to be regained.If your ill isolate yourself. Don't travel or socialise unnecessarily.Wash your hands regularly, keep an eye out for the elderly,informed and vulnerable.Surely following simple guide lines ,useing common sense will help resolve this problem as quickly as possible.Good luck to you all and your loved ones, but also think and respect others at this time.

I personally believe the Chinese government are accountable for this, due to their willingness to try and cover this up when the first outbreaks happens in China, trying to protect its own economy rather than take account of the matter.No doubt as this virus devastates the western world China will prosper 

[Abu Derby]

The Chinese should make reparations to the rest of the world for this crisis. 

[GenBr]

3 hours ago, 1of4 said:

It's ok to tell schools that they have to remain open, so as to act as a creche for the essential worker's children.

What happens when there's not enough staff left to supervise the children, never mind educating them, when the teachers stay at home to self isolate.

Again it's about delaying the spread of the disease and it's impact. Currently there are enough teachers left to look after them. If at a future point in time it becomes necessary to close schools then they will be closed. These measures don't all need to be enacted at the same time.

It's far better than half the NHS taking days off to babysit. This will likely have to happen eventually, but the longer we can delay it the better.

 

[Uptherams]

11 minutes ago, Abu Derby said:

The Chinese should make reparations to the rest of the world for this crisis. 

Agreed. Governments and businesses were already in the process of decoupling with China. If they do not, they will face big sanctions and China can then wave goodbye to the world stage. 

[EtoileSportiveDeDerby]

More puzzling thoughts this evening. last week we were told wash your hans and sing happy birthday (twice). This evening BBC says that one of the experts on the advisory body SAGE did a bit more mathematical modeling and came up with 250,000 death which prompted the change of approach from the government. This is not a step change this is more like WTF is going on ???