The Politics Thread 2020

[May Contain Nuts]

1 minute ago, Paul71 said:

absolutely

yes they do,  and I am glad my biggest decision each day is shorts or not when working from home 

Sorry, but I have to ask, is that a decision between shorts & trousers, or....?

 

[Sith Happens]

Just now, Coconut said:

Sorry, but I have to ask, is that a decision between shorts & trousers, or....?

 

as lockdown goes on who knows what might happen. 

[Curtains]

Apparently Cummings silent as he goes into no10. 
 

Looks like he’s going. 

[Curtains]

6 minutes ago, Coconut said:

Sorry, but I have to ask, is that a decision between shorts & trousers, or....?

 

Has to be trousers today as not that warm lol. 

[TramRam]

1 minute ago, Curtains said:

Apparently Cummings silent as he goes into no10. 
 

Looks like he’s going. 

And come out covered in number 2.

[Sith Happens]

1 minute ago, Curtains said:

Has to be trousers today as not that warm lol. 

I know,  was supposed to be warmer today,  disappointing. 

[ariotofmyown]

53 minutes ago, Eddie said:

There is a cabal on here who will continue to defend the indefensible, and it is as pathetic as it is predictable.

That cabal is very small over Cummings though. Even @G STAR RAM is saying he should resign.

I know this politics thread isn't always popular, and some people on here don't always follow the guidelines/rules, but I actually think it's a great place to hear and debate opposing views.

We are on this site because we all support Derby, not because we have certain political leanings. Finding common ground is a good way to listen to people and understand their points of view.

On this Cummings issue, the national barometer of DCFC Fans forum thinks he should go. So he probably will.

[bigbadbob]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

There is a cabal on here who will continue to defend the indefensible, and it is as pathetic as it is predictable.

How do you know. Thought you had everyone who doesn't agree with you on ignore

[Eddie]

People are probably a little upset as to why I am sniping at them (you know who you are, and frankly I just don't care what you think about me), but in continuing to defend the government and their 'chief advisor', or in fact by your refusal to even hear any criticism towards them, let alone cast any aspersions yourselves (a nice word which means to attack the reputation or integrity of someone), you have made me think that, possibly, you are right and I am wrong. How's that for a turnaround?

In the second week of March, my grandson came home from school 'a bit poorly' with a temperature and a dry, persistent cough. A few days later, my daughter (a very fit lady who a few weeks before completed her first marathon) and her partner went down with it. They self-isolated collectively, and over the next two weeks, Becca's condition deteriorated drastically to the point that she was bedridden - high temperature, no energy, unproductive persistent cough, headaches, muscle pain - you know the symptoms. Her friends made sure that her shopping etc was collected and left outside the door, Matt was working from home and able to continue (he wasn't very ill at all, despite him being less fit and carrying a few - ok, a lot) excess pounds and kept me informed as to how my daughter was progressing.

I was seriously concerned, and felt utterly helpless, but my wife was beside herself with worry. By the time April arrived, I had received the 'shelter in place' letter (which I jokingly refer to as 'house arrest' - I know that term winds a few of you up), the death toll really started to climb, especially in Sheffield, where my daughter lives. Gradually, she began to improve but even now, ten or eleven weeks after falling ill, is still not fully recovered.

Obviously, given the recent news and with the benefit of hindsight, Becca, in adhering to government advice at the time, was clearly in the wrong. At the first sign of illness, she should have hopped in the car, driven down the motorway to my house, moved in to another property on my land (the garage, or possibly the cloche in which I grow my chillies at the foot of the garden, next to the compost heap that is growing at a considerable rate since the council stopped the garden waste collection), let my wife and I look after Oliver and take care of his schooling while she went out sightseeing, visiting local landmarks and the like - she would have recovered in no time at all, certainly to be well enough to return to Sheffield a couple of times over the next two weeks. Matt, meanwhile, would have written a couple of newspaper articles extolling the virtues of 'shelter in place', and telling everyone just how ill she was and how seriously she was adhering to the guidelines back in Sheffield. Whether or not she would have been permitted to attend my funeral, which would have been probably two weeks ago as yesterday, is a moot point. 

[Eddie]

4 minutes ago, bigbadbob said:

How do you know. Thought you had everyone who doesn't agree with you on ignore

People quoting them. Their offal still gets through.

[ariotofmyown]

Going back to Brexit for a moment, I think Steve Baker's interview this morning was very important and could be a key step into healing the divisions in the country.

I don't know much about him apart from he was a key Brexiteer and member of the ERG.

Talking about Cummings today though, Baker said he is so focused on winning that he goes too far, and specifically mentioned the infamous bus, the leaflets on Turkey and the prorouging of parliament.

To hear a prominent Brexiteer speak out against these sort of tactics was very interesting to hear. 

This may have helped swing the Brexit vote or it may not have. But Baker could well think that the divisions it created was too high a price to get the referendum result he desired.

This was my main issue with the Brexit vote and perhaps why remoaners like me keep mentioning it.

I wanted to remain in the EU but I thought it was far from perfect. I did like the principle of collaboration and union though and wanted us to stay in there and improve it.  If you disagreed with these points, then that was perfectly fine and it enough people thought the same, then let's leave.

Having our democracy so clearly hijacked by the likes of Cummings doesn't seem right, and if an arch-Brexiteer like Baker seems to be in some sort of agreement, maybe there is a '3rd Way' of moving forward with Brexit. Where compromises can be made over ideology. Remember, Cummings main opponents of Brexit weren't Corbyn or Sturgeon. They were 'radicals' like Philip Hammond, David Gauke and Nicholas Soames.

 

[bigbadbob]

2 minutes ago, Eddie said:

People quoting them. Their offal still gets through.

Looks like you'll have to whack a few more on ignore then

[AndyinLiverpool]

The must be a few people out today doing things they shouldn’t, in the spirit of ‘if it’s good enough for Dominic Cummings, it’s good enough for us’.

[ariotofmyown]

8 minutes ago, Eddie said:

People are probably a little upset as to why I am sniping at them (you know who you are, and frankly I just don't care what you think about me), but in continuing to defend the government and their 'chief advisor', or in fact by your refusal to even hear any criticism towards them, let alone cast any aspersions yourselves (a nice word which means to attack the reputation or integrity of someone), you have made me think that, possibly, you are right and I am wrong. How's that for a turnaround?

In the second week of March, my grandson came home from school 'a bit poorly' with a temperature and a dry, persistent cough. A few days later, my daughter (a very fit lady who a few weeks before completed her first marathon) and her partner went down with it. They self-isolated collectively, and over the next two weeks, Becca's condition deteriorated drastically to the point that she was bedridden - high temperature, no energy, unproductive persistent cough, headaches, muscle pain - you know the symptoms. Her friends made sure that her shopping etc was collected and left outside the door, Matt was working from home and able to continue (he wasn't very ill at all, despite him being less fit and carrying a few - ok, a lot) excess pounds and kept me informed as to how my daughter was progressing.

I was seriously concerned, and felt utterly helpless, but my wife was beside herself with worry. By the time April arrived, I had received the 'shelter in place' letter (which I jokingly refer to as 'house arrest' - I know that term winds a few of you up), the death toll really started to climb, especially in Sheffield, where my daughter lives. Gradually, she began to improve but even now, ten or eleven weeks after falling ill, is still not fully recovered.

Obviously, given the recent news and with the benefit of hindsight, Becca, in adhering to government advice at the time, was clearly in the wrong. At the first sign of illness, she should have hopped in the car, driven down the motorway to my house, moved in to another property on my land (the garage, or possibly the cloche in which I grow my chillies at the foot of the garden, next to the compost heap that is growing at a considerable rate since the council stopped the garden waste collection), let my wife and I look after Oliver and take care of his schooling while she went out sightseeing, visiting local landmarks and the like - she would have recovered in no time at all, certainly to be well enough to return to Sheffield a couple of times over the next two weeks. Matt, meanwhile, would have written a couple of newspaper articles extolling the virtues of 'shelter in place', and telling everyone just how ill she was and how seriously she was adhering to the guidelines back in Sheffield. Whether or not she would have been permitted to attend my funeral, which would have been probably two weeks ago as yesterday, is a moot point. 

That is easy for you to say @Eddie but what would your daughter have done if she was universally despised and no one apart from her immediate family would offer to help!

Great post though.

[Eddie]

2 minutes ago, bigbadbob said:

Looks like you'll have to whack a few more on ignore then

Argument is fine, and quoting someone who I have on 'ignore' at least allows me to see that there are others who disagree occasionally with those I disagree with always, so you are not (entirely) a lost cause. Defending the indefensible just makes you look a prat. Six or seven government ministers made themselves into prats, over the last 24 hours, by defending the indefensible because they deliberately blurred the lines for the sake of party unity - perhaps at the cost of national unity. Criticising newspapers for reporting the news makes you look a prat. My problem, over the last year, is that if someone makes themselves look a prat, I tell them that they are a prat. The forum rules are that we have to all play nicely. Calling people who make themselves look like prats, er, prats (for the want of a less polite term) isn't playing nicely, so I'm reliably informed, and I hold my hands up. I haven't played nicely, and have suffered the inevitable banninations. So, if I wish to continue having discourse on here with people who are not just automatic gainsayers and trolls (and I am probably considered to be either or both in some eyes), then my only recourse is to use the 'ignore' function. 

[Eddie]

25 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

That is easy for you to say @Eddie but what would your daughter have done if she was universally despised and no one apart from her immediate family would offer to help!

Great post though.

How can someone, as you say, 'universally despised' rise to such a height in the echelons of power as to hold the ear of the prime minister and be seen to be the architect of an entire philosophy? He must be very good at blackmail.

[TramRam]

18 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Argument is fine, and quoting someone who I have on 'ignore' at least allows me to see that there are others who disagree occasionally with those I disagree with always, so you are not (entirely) a lost cause. Defending the indefensible just makes you look a prat. Six or seven government ministers made themselves into prats, over the last 24 hours, by defending the indefensible because they deliberately blurred the lines for the sake of party unity - perhaps at the cost of national unity. Criticising newspapers for reporting the news makes you look a prat. My problem, over the last year, is that if someone makes themselves look a prat, I tell them that they are a prat. The forum rules are that we have to all play nicely. Calling people who make themselves look like prats, er, prats (for the want of a less polite term) isn't playing nicely, so I'm reliably informed, and I hold my hands up. I haven't played nicely, and have suffered the inevitable banninations. So, if I wish to continue having discourse on here with people who are not just automatic gainsayers and trolls (and I am probably considered to be either or both in some eyes), then my only recourse is to use the 'ignore' function. 

I was a poster on a another forum(Popside)the vitriol was some what of threats and violent threats, Verbal abuse, Ridicule, Mob rule and more, But I never used the ignore button, I felt that if I did then they've won, It was politics, Immigration and of course the Brexit debate that was the catalist, I got fed up of the name calling and the like and eventually stopped posting on there a year or so ago.

This board has a tougher line, One or 2 of my posts have disapeared, Not a problem from me, Maybe it broke house rules or maybe I did not click on "submit" it's a bugger being old ?.

If I vehemently oppose a poster then I do my best to post without belittling the post/poster or I just read on and move to another thread, Age has mellowed me, And I find getting angry and living alone are 2 positions I don't want be, So I don't get angy anymore and I enjoy living on my own.

I'm still amazed that some can take a persons opinion to heart ?

 

[Rev]

6 minutes ago, TramRam said:

I was a poster on a another forum(Popside)the vitriol was some what of threats and violent threats, Verbal abuse, Ridicule, Mob rule and more, But I never used the ignore button, I felt that if I did then they've won, It was politics, Immigration and of course the Brexit debate that was the catalist, I got fed up of the name calling and the like and eventually stopped posting on there a year or so ago.

This board has a tougher line, One or 2 of my posts have disapeared, Not a problem from me, Maybe it broke house rules or maybe I did not click on "submit" it's a bugger being old ?.

If I vehemently oppose a poster then I do my best to post without belittling the post/poster or I just read on and move to another thread, Age has mellowed me, And I find getting angry and living alone are 2 positions I don't want be, So I don't get angy anymore and I enjoy living on my own.

I'm still amazed that some can take a persons opinion to heart ?

 

End of the day, it's just words on a screen.

I had one poster on ignore for about an hour, then curiosity got the better of me!

[Rev]

35 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

Look it is never good when run under staff I get that and everyone got to twice as hard maybe some of them have mental health issues or maybe they gerenal really sick just cant work like I say.

I know my job not same as your there are times that really busy and people are sick rest of got pick up mess left behind.

I know it must seem really unfair but companies that 50k a year not allowed any help or support which is wrong I do think goverment should help company out.

The government are paying upto £2500 a month of you and your colleagues wages, I'd call that helping out.

[TramRam]

14 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said:

End of the day, it's just words on a screen.

I had one poster on ignore for about an hour, then curiosity got the better of me!

? "End of the day, it's just words on a screen" Absolutely ?