RoyMac5 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Blondest Goat said: Exactly what everyone was saying about Cocu before the start of the season. Well and is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondest Goat Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Well and is he? I think he needs to be given time. Not sure what anyone sees in Rooney that would make them think he will be a good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, Blondest Goat said: I think he needs to be given time. Not sure what anyone sees in Rooney that would make them think he will be a good manager. His astute footballing brain. It wasn’t a suggestion but a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondest Goat Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: His astute footballing brain. It wasn’t a suggestion but a question. Wasn't aware he had an astute footballing brain. It's not really been evident from his interviews. He has always come across like he was trying to ensure he said nothing controversial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justa Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Sorry I really don’t give a toss what he says in an interview. I’ll judge him like I will every other manager- by our performances and results. And so far they aren’t really good enough. Before the happy clappers jump on me I’m not saying sack him just that things need to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Cocu's got a 4 year contract. I believe we will be ok by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbles Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 If anyone honestly expects instant success and winning every game etc go support another team we’re in the process here of rebuilding and laying the foundations for years to come. Mel’s seen past the ways of sacking managers left right centre We need STABILITY in the club and thats what is going to happen Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Why has he binned off Martin and Marriott as a partnership after just 2 games with Lawrence in the hole that plan was literally given 2 games to gel and come together we comfortably beat boro with people coming away saying how much more it was finally round pegs in round holes. then he bravely took it into the city ground clash where if not for a bogle howler we would have come away with at least a point and the performance arguably deserved a little more. he then bind it back in favour of the one up top isolated striker what happens? Back to away day ineptness I’m starting to view him simply as more of a tinker man than a tactical genius happy to give him further time and patience as this club cries out for stability but at some point in time maybe next season we’ll start to get an idea if we’re flogging a dead horse When I say that I’m doing so with realistic and pretty low expectations, I’m not asking for a top six challenge but I’m expecting to see an identity in our style that’s getting executed with a little more conviction than currently passing to white shirts would be a great starting point lol ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Blondest Goat said: Wasn't aware he had an astute footballing brain. It's not really been evident from his interviews. He has always come across like he was trying to ensure he said nothing controversial. Read some interviews about him and his football skills then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Daly Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Being a good player does not make you a good manager. History is littered with examples. Bobby Moore was renowned for his football brain as a player. Thick as pigshit though and couldn’t hack it as a manager. Mourinho never kicked a ball and Wenger hardly did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRammy Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Cocu isn't going to last. Because he takes his time in how he talks and pauses ( statesmanship type talking ) you get the false impression he is clever . For me he comes across as about as exciting as sitting next to a librarian at a Christmas party . What worries me about him is does he seem the sort of chap you would be afraid of walking down the tunnel to at half time when you losing 0-2 , and the team are needing the hair dryer treatment and then some passion and motivation ? . What also worries me is where are the mention of the bucket load of foreigners he should have on his scouting list that could add a bit of flair we so badly lack . Also if he is sacked before the end of the season ( and I think this could happen easily ) where does that leave rooney after all he has come to learn of the greatest librarian that football has seen . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisby Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 I’ve had an idea .... how about if Cocu is being even cleverer than we give him credit for? ..... how about if all this tinkering is deliberate and designed to mess with the heads of those in the first team squad ... to sort the wheat from the chaff ... perhaps he’s gone to Mel and said ‘look as long as we don’t get relegated will you give me this season to sort this lot out, to see who is really a footballer, to see who can adapt to different formations, different situations, at the end of this season I’ll have a bloody good idea who can cut it & who can’t, then next season with new players I have in mind & those youngsters coming through who I believe in we can give it a proper go’. Mel says ‘ok, go for it I’m on board, rattle a few cages and see who can cut it, the rest are history’ .... perhaps as fans we all need to play the long(er) game and trust our manager ...... perhaps I’m wrong?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Maybe Cocu is doing ok but fans are too fickle and impatient to accept his situation. Losing the three loanees plus Keogh was tough. Plus look at the injuries - Huddlestone, Shinnie, now Bielik plus other players from time to time. The main problem I have is he hasn’t found any positive formula away from home, plus he put out a weak side against Forest in the cup. But I think with everything that’s gone on, it would be foolish to accept this team is a top six team at the moment. He hasn’t even been able to bring his own players in. Roos is not better than Carson. Davies and whoever is next to him are not better than Keogh and Tomori. Apart from Bielik the squad is weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Blondest Goat said: Wasn't aware he had an astute footballing brain. It's not really been evident from his interviews. He has always come across like he was trying to ensure he said nothing controversial. That in itself is quite astute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 15 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: No. The decision was made before Bielik was injured. Still why change our set up for QPR? Didn't he answer this in his post match interview with Radio Derby? He said that they were unsure whether QPR would start with a 3-5-2 or a 4-3-3, so they chose to start in a 3-4-3 that could change if QPR did. Personally, I don't like seeing us setting up to match the opposition like this. Especially not at home. I would rather just see us play our own game. But I can see the thinking behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Nuwtfly said: Didn't he answer this in his post match interview... Personally, I don't like seeing us setting up to match the opposition like this. Especially not at home. I would rather just see us play our own game. But I can see the thinking behind it. Yes that was the point I was making to the other poster, why do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 14 hours ago, Justa said: Sorry I really don’t give a toss what he says in an interview. I’ll judge him like I will every other manager- by our performances and results. And so far they aren’t really good enough. Before the happy clappers jump on me I’m not saying sack him just that things need to improve. Do you think the match day squad yesterday, once Bielik is taken out, is one that’s good enough to be challenging at the top of this league? i don’t, it’s poor and mid table at best, which is where we are. Obviously Rooney comes in in January. Hopefully we send Dowell & Paterson back and try for some better loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justa Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, jimbo jones said: Do you think the match day squad yesterday, once Bielik is taken out, is one that’s good enough to be challenging at the top of this league? i don’t, it’s poor and mid table at best, which is where we are. Obviously Rooney comes in in January. Hopefully we send Dowell & Paterson back and try for some better loans. Probably agree with you but that doesn't mean someone else couldn't be achieving more with the same squad. Its not a good league and not many squads stand out. All the chopping and changing of personnel and formations really concerns me. Oh and the dull as ditchwater interviews.....it just doesn't inspire me. I thought Nigel Clough was bad but Cocu's in a different league ! I'll say once again I am not saying we should sack him just that so far he hasn't convinced me. And nothing that he says in an interview will change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 13 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: Cocu's got a 4 year contract. I believe we will be ok by then. We can't just be ok, we need to be out of this division and stable in the premier League by the end of his 4 years. Promotion needs to happen as soon as possible, if it doesn't happen this season then it needs to next. This is the longest period we've had out of the first division, can't continue much longer as we'll find ourselves going down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Just on the topic of Cocu's team and tactics yesterday, other injuries notwithstanding, losing Bielik was a massive blow. Evans came in with big boots to fill but I swear he was concussed after an early knock as he didn't look right at all to me. I'm pretty confident that Cocu knows the time of day. Not too many were clamouring to get Whitaker in the side a few weeks back but Cocu obviously knew he'd be ok. I can see him integrating moe of the younger lads across the season and with a decent summer window, he may have fashioned a really strong side by next season. I know it's been a long wait for us Rams but patience is absolutely key this season, especially given the incredibly unfortunate run of injuries we've had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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