Bob The Badger Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 After seeing @SaintRam mention it again I finally watched the Phillip Cocu interview on RamsTV and I think every Derby supporter should. I came away really heartened. Other than with Nigel Clough, this club has had very little stability in a generation. Each manager has had to scramble to achieve immediate success or be under the cosh. A lot of this was Mel’s fault, but I’m not going to criticize him because I think as an owner he has really matured, learned from his mistakes and is now one of the best. Cocu seems utterly relaxed and focussed on the long-term prosperity of the club by nurturing the youngsters and creating an inclusive feel. Some of his team selections have concerned me - especially when he has made sweeping changes - but now I’m not really worried. Whereas I think every manager wants to win every game, I think he’s using this season to get acclimated to the Championship and a playoff spot would just be a bonus. I don’t think either her nor Mel expected anything from this season. And even though that’s frustrating for us fans, it’s the right approach. Yes, teams do turn it around quickly on occasions with a new manager, but many of the great managers needed time to build the squad and shape the club. Clough, Shankly and Ferguson are about as great as you can get and all needed time. Of course, there are many exceptions of managers who acquired success almost immediately. However, most either inherited a good side, had lots of money to spend, or both. None of us have a clue as to how Cocu will turn out, but I’m a lot less concerned than I was when the players trudged off after the Fulham debacle. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see us do a Norwich next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Rubbish.....haven’t you heard Coco’s going to get us relegated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbles Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Great to hear this Bob glad your opinions have slightly changed. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sonofmidnight Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I'd rather we did a Sheffield United though. They are amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Why did he feel that we had to change to deal with way QPR (on an awful run) played? To me Cocu’s worst ‘failing’ is his lack of positivity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, RoyMac5 said: Why did he feel that we had to change to deal with way QPR (on an awful run) played? To me Cocu’s worst ‘failing’ is his lack of positivity... Might have something to do with the fact that Shinnie, Bennett and Bielik have all gotten injured this week, along with us getting absolutely smashed at Fulham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, lrm14 said: Might have something to do with the fact that Shinnie, Bennett and Bielik have all gotten injured this week, along with us getting absolutely smashed at Fulham. No. The decision was made before Bielik was injured. Still why change our set up for QPR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: No. The decision was made before Bielik was injured. Still why change our set up for QPR? Yes. You're completely dismissing the fact we were compltely dismantled this week by Fulham and we're missing Shinnie and Bennett, who almost certainly would have started today if fit. Besides he only changed the system for a short period in the first half and then reverted back to the 4-2-3-1 we played against Preston. Our options at RW are terrible or injured and he clearly wanted to give Bogle a try there while giving Wisdom a run out. Why is that such a big deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, lrm14 said: Yes. You're completely dismissing the fact we were compltely dismantled this week by Fulham and we're missing Shinnie and Bennett, who almost certainly would have started today if fit. Besides he only changed the system for a short period in the first half and then reverted back to the 4-2-3-1 we played against Preston. Our options at RW are terrible or injured and he clearly wanted to give Bogle a try there while giving Wisdom a run out. Why is that such a big deal? We weren’t dismantled by Fulham. We gifted them all three goals. Cocu said the formation was to deal with the way QPR might set up (they didn’t!) - why not set up the best for us??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: We weren’t dismantled by Fulham. We gifted them all three goals. Cocu said the formation was to deal with the way QPR might set up (they didn’t!) - why not set up the best for us??? Weren't we? I guess we were watching different games then. Probably because our squad is absolutely cack and our best isn't good enough to beat everyone in this division consistently, good coaches adapt. Did you have a problem last week against Preston when we adjusted how we played to overloading the left wing to expose Darnell Fisher at RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Why did he feel that we had to change to deal with way QPR (on an awful run) played? To me Cocu’s worst ‘failing’ is his lack of positivity... I think Bielik was a meant to be a major part of that formation. It’s not just his ability on the ball but he covers some ground too. That’s not really Evans game and we ended up far too deep most of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedcfc Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: We weren’t dismantled by Fulham. We gifted them all three goals. Cocu said the formation was to deal with the way QPR might set up (they didn’t!) - why not set up the best for us??? We were battered by Fulham, they took pity on us in the last 30 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, lrm14 said: Probably because our squad is absolutely cack and our best isn't good enough to beat everyone in this division consistently, good coaches adapt. Did you have a problem last week against Preston when we adjusted how we played to overloading the left wing to expose Darnell Fisher at RB? QPR and Preston are not the same opposition at all. QPR must have been fearing another beating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I'd be interested in knowing the average running stats for this year against last. The policy of defending from the half way line and not pressing opposition is painful. I know playing Davies is forced on him but asking him to play passing football is a poor managerial decision. Playing two up against Boro, winning and then not employing that team selection again is weird. Ultimately he's been dealt a bad hand with players available to him. I think he should be doing better with this hand but he needs two transfer windows to develop his identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: We weren’t dismantled by Fulham. We gifted them all three goals. Cocu said the formation was to deal with the way QPR might set up (they didn’t!) - why not set up the best for us??? I think it depends on how you define dismantled. They dominated from start to finish and looked like they could step it up a gear at will. They also made it look like they were a division above us in terms of quality. Maybe that doesn't meet your definition and that 5 or 6 goals are needed. It's on the cusp for me, but I certainly wouldn't argue with somebody saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: I think it depends on how you define dismantled. They dominated from start to finish and looked like they could step it up a gear at will. They also made it look like they were a division above us in terms of quality. Maybe that doesn't meet your definition and that 5 or 6 goals are needed. It's on the cusp for me, but I certainly wouldn't argue with somebody saying that. We started really well, should have scored. Gifted them a goal and lost confidence. But still we defended relatively well and had some attacking momentum - thought Holmes looked lively. Then we gave them another and that really made a comeback difficult. Watching them against Swansea they did similar, took advantage of poor defending against the run of play. Not saying they aren’t a good team, but I don’t think we were dismantled by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby blood Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Very poor today, and Roymac5 does make some very good points, I think this obsession with Mel having to use our academy in a few years time is well off. Mel employed Cocu to develop our younger players which takes time, also Mel keep going on about we need to play a certain way is also way off, this is a hard division to get out off, and relaying on young players to get us out is a tough call. And u play to your strengths Sheffield United being a good example of this, just think who ever we had as manager would find this a tough job, give Cocu 3 more Windows to get his players in. But would not be surprised if Mel gave him this season only, then promoted Rooney to manage us, fits in with Mels idea of promoting our club, but for me we need to develop the club a little bit, and give someone time, no more short term fixes much Mel seems to like, and it's up to the manager to decide which players are ready and what our style should be not Mels, or the boo boys, who know very little about the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, Derby blood said: But would not be surprised if Mel gave him this season only, then promoted Rooney to manage us... I’m starting to wonder how this would go. Rooney is meant to be very astute in football terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondest Goat Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I’m starting to wonder how this would go. Rooney is meant to be very astute in football terms. Exactly what everyone was saying about Cocu before the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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